Friesian Bullocks

MagicManCan

Alright lads!
Have a few Friesian Bullocks and one Shorthorn here around 260-300 kg (15 Months old) and will be looking to sell in Late October. What weight should I be aiming for and what prices do ye reckon they'd go for?

Also have a LMX around 320 Kg (12 Months)
And a SIMX around 260 Kg (14 Months), any ideas on these two?

As with all this i know there is a lot of variables but just looking for ballpark figures.

Cheers lads!

moy83

I sold 3 fr bullocks two weeks ago for 890 each . They were 2 1/2 yrs and 560 kg

lexion14

We're they bought in or reared as calf? Sorry but they won't make you up. Seen good quality friesan bullocks sell in mart yesterday weighing 620kg sold for €900. They wouldn't leave a whole lot of profit for the seller.

moy83

lexion14 wrote: »

We're they bought in or reared as calf? Sorry but they won't make you up. Seen good quality friesan bullocks sell in mart yesterday weighing 620kg sold for €900. They wouldn't leave a whole lot of profit for the seller.

They were bought in when they were weaned . No they didnt leave alot , I got 800 for their comrades last november and was sorry these few didnt go that time aswell .
But still I will probably buy a few more fr again , I dont think continental weanlins would leave much more either .

lexion14

moy83 wrote: »

They were bought in when they were weaned . No they didnt leave alot , I got 800 for their comrades last november and was sorry these few didnt go that time aswell .
But still I will probably buy a few more fr again , I dont think continental weanlins would leave much more either .

Would you not buy a better breed than friesan though angus hereford & finish them. As regards continentals some are too dear but then again if u shopped around a bit more they would leave more profit. Friesans 2 1/2 years old sold for €890 would leave nothing. Costs €900 to bring a friesan calf to beef at 24 months. I would definitely look at alternatives.

Farmer Pudsey

moy83 wrote: »

They were bought in when they were weaned . No they didnt leave alot , I got 800 for their comrades last november and was sorry these few didnt go that time aswell .
But still I will probably buy a few more fr again , I dont think continental weanlins would leave much more either .

lexion14 wrote: »

Would you not buy a better breed than friesan though angus hereford & finish them. As regards continentals some are too dear but then again if u shopped around a bit more they would leave more profit. Friesans 2 1/2 years old sold for €890 would leave nothing. Costs €900 to bring a friesan calf to beef at 24 months. I would definitely look at alternatives.

It is the price gap that leaves a profit. The disadvantage with Friesians is that you must carry to finish. A present 15-18 months old FR bulls over 400kgs can be bought for 500 euro. Casterate and you have a good strong bullock. A 330 kg HR could cost 700 euro and a right good continintal bullock 330 kgs800.

Which will leave the most margin finished I imagine the Fresian. Any of these carried to next July/August.

Fr killing 400 ish kgs 1550
HR killing 366isg kgs 1530
Con killing 400kgs 1650

Yes the hereford or Con may be more efficent but you have to look at capital tied up in cattle. An Angus is too dodgy buying as many will not grow

lexion14

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

It is the price gap that leaves a profit. The disadvantage with Friesians is that you must carry to finish. A present 15-18 months old FR bulls over 400kgs can be bought for 500 euro. Casterate and you have a good strong bullock. A 330 kg HR could cost 700 euro and a right good continintal bullock 330 kgs800.

Which will leave the most margin finished I imagine the Fresian. Any of these carried to next July/August.

Fr killing 400 ish kgs 1550
HR killing 366isg kgs 1530
Con killing 400kgs 1650

Yes the hereford or Con may be more efficent but you have to look at capital tied up in cattle. An Angus is too dodgy buying as many will not grow

agree about capital but friesan wouldn't be 400kg dead weight unless they had good bit of age in them. Don't know not saying continental are great but at least something reasonably priced that wouldn't have a long weight or have some sale value if sold in mart.

Farmer Pudsey

lexion14 wrote: »

agree about capital but friesan wouldn't be 400kg dead weight unless they had good bit of age in them. Don't know not saying continental are great but at least something reasonably priced that wouldn't have a long weight or have some sale value if sold in mart.

I picked yearling the way they are price at present. You can buy heavyish Fresian bulls for that price at present. However Contenintal and Hex would have 70+ kg back from that weight. The Hereford would never catch up. The Contenintal would need 300+ days at 250grams/day. Fresians are actually good to put on weight it is the killout that catches them. May I am a bit heavy on the Fr and light on the contenintal, however even at a 30Kg extra difference it changes the sums by 130 euro.

In general farmers finishing fresian feed little or no meal, those with Contenintals feed them 4+ kgs at heavy weights

kingstown

Bought 5 good square Friesians bullocks (13 months old) last week avg 343kg @ €550 and a couple of AA @ 362kg (17 months) for €660 (all first movers).
I know the Friesians might have been a little on the dear side, but I have grass and need a few extra cattle (I work away from the farm I have to cram a lot of jobs into a Saturday) therefore haven’t the opportunity of attending several marts looking for value, this is where I lose out a little as lads that go to all the marts around know value when the ring isn’t as hot.

I thought cattle were a little pricy last week – I normally buy continentals, but the few that were there were making well over €400+ and not a lot of good quality CH or LIM for sale that day that would have suited me

Last night, I let the 5 343kg ones in with 10 other Friesian bullocks bought 6 weeks ago (avg 272Kg @ €440) and to be honest I thought they all looked even enough. Surprised by how much the first 10 came on.
I know it’s hard to actually judge weight but I am happy enough with these 15 as a bunch, but as I hope to sell them at the back end of the year we will see then..!