pillreports.com blocked by mobile phone carriers

kjl

Ok, Whether you are for or against the legalisation of ecstasy you must agree that the safe usage of the drug should be a priority to those choosing to consume it.

This is why I find it an outrage that mobile phone carriers are banning this site from being viewed while on their data network.

For those of you who don't know, this site give information from fellow users who use testing kits on each pressing and give information about the dosage and contents of the pill, it is also used to warn users of bad pressing or fake pills.

It seems to me that a website with vital safety information should be accessible to people at a time they need it, and I see no reason for the blocking of this site.

The site can still be accessed from a wifi connection so it serves no purpose of censorship and only jeopardizes people safety.

They have been numerous batches of unsafe pills going around recently with 2 kids losing their life, I think it's time that people took this issue more seriously and realised that a large percentage of people aged between 18-30 are consuming this drug on a regular bases, the utmost important thing its that they do so safely.

suicide_circus

Link?

ScumLord

That's bizarre if true although, as we've seen here, there are plenty of people that would happily see others die for doing things that don't agree with their morals. Taking the risk is enough to damn you in their eyes and they don't see minimising the risk as something that the dirty drug users should be allowed to do.

Miprocin

Yeah, I'd be very interested to see a link with some further information. Is it just Irish carriers or international ones too?

AnonoBoy

Does it say it's blocked or is it just not mobile friendly?

Scruffy...The Janitor

Which networks? Just went on to the site using meteor no problem.

pundy

it's a shame, but i wonder, legislation-wise, would it be because it could be considered some sort of "drug related paraphenalia"? maybe? or because of the outrage of some games like that weed dealer one that was banned last week off the app store..

who knows, but that sounds like it's a great idea for an app!
similar to what they have in nederlands and in Sonar festival in spain they had a counter where you could bring your drugs and they would test them, then you go back and they tell you what's in them and whether you would be ok to take them...

kjl

Confirmed networks

Vodafone
Three

SpaceTime

I don't think there is any legislation requiring the mobile phone networks here to block anything. They're taking it upon themselves to censor stuff.

kjl

pundy wrote: »

it's a shame, but i wonder, legislation-wise, would it be because it could be considered some sort of "drug related paraphenalia"? maybe? or because of the outrage of some games like that weed dealer one that was banned last week off the app store..

who knows, but that sounds like it's a great idea for an app!
similar to what they have in nederlands and in Sonar festival in spain they had a counter where you could bring your drugs and they would test them, then you go back and they tell you what's in them and whether you would be ok to take them...

I would say you could write an app that scapes the site through a proxy

Caliden

pundy wrote: »

it's a shame, but i wonder, legislation-wise, would it be because it could be considered some sort of "drug related paraphenalia"? maybe? or because of the outrage of some games like that weed dealer one that was banned last week off the app store..

who knows, but that sounds like it's a great idea for an app!
similar to what they have in nederlands and in Sonar festival in spain they had a counter where you could bring your drugs and they would test them, then you go back and they tell you what's in them and whether you would be ok to take them...

Heard a chap talking on the radio recently that it can take months to completely determine exactly what's in a particular pill.
Unless of course they're only testing for rat poison/harmful cutting additives.

kjl

SpaceTime wrote: »

I don't think there is any legislation requiring the mobile phone networks here to block anything. They're taking it upon themselves to censor stuff.

I didn't say anything about legislation, they are just doing it.

SpaceTime

kjl wrote: »

Confirmed networks

Vodafone
Three

Possibly only if you don't have age-verification clearance ?

Try it on a bill pay account or a prepay that is age verified.

Panda_Turtle

kjl wrote: »

Confirmed networks

Vodafone
Three

Works for me on three. Although I had problems accessing some other sites in the past, I rang the customer service and they removed the block no problems.

pundy

Caliden wrote: »

Heard a chap talking on the radio recently that it can take months to completely determine exactly what's in a particular pill.
Unless of course they're only testing for rat poison/harmful cutting additives.

well they had it at Sonar music festival when i was there a couple of years ago.

needless to say though, i was young and stupid and didnt bother with it.

more like "oh look what's that... i'm not giving them my p!lls, they wont give them back!"

:P

thomas anderson.

Works on meteor

kjl

SpaceTime wrote: »

Possibly only if you don't have age-verification clearance ?

Try it on a bill pay account or a prepay that is age verified.

I use a billphone and it can access youporn, eh hem not that I've checked

ScumLord

Caliden wrote: »

Heard a chap talking on the radio recently that it can take months to completely determine exactly what's in a particular pill.
Unless of course they're only testing for rat poison/harmful cutting additives.

I would guess the tests are testing for MDMA content more than anything. If your pill is 99% MDMA it's probably going to be fine. If it's 40% MDMA you can start worrying.


For the most part bulking agents aren't a problem, drug dealers tend not to use other expensive drugs as a bulking agent, it defeats the purpose of making cheap pills. It's usually something cheap that leaves no taste or smell like creatine.

Lia_lia

How f*cking stupid. I can think of way more things that should be blocked. That website can save lives...

i_am_beard

I can still access it on the 3 network!

Miprocin

Caliden wrote: »

Heard a chap talking on the radio recently that it can take months to completely determine exactly what's in a particular pill.
Unless of course they're only testing for rat poison/harmful cutting additives.

Mass Spectometry analysis doesn't take very long at all. It could be done in a few minutes provided there's a library reference for whatever is detected in the pill and there usually would be unless it's something ultra-novel.

Again OP, where did you hear this?

stimpson

Works on O2 for me.

I am pie

So...it's only blocked on vodafone or its in fact available on vodafone with age verification.

Bit of a huff and puff over nothing if so.

The Diabolical Monocle

Pass the Mass Spectrometer ....



... yep they're grand. Get em down ya.

TimeToShine

Won't load on Vodafone for me. Regardless, it's something you should be looking into beforehand - everyone who uses should have a rough idea of what's ok and what's not, rather than relying on your phone to give you answers in 2 minutes while the seller waits.

The Diabolical Monocle

In relation to intenet censorship, I recall reading something about an app which effectively de-centralizes internet access and content.

I browsed it in an article about the current unrest in Thailand and the associated rioting and censorship.

Any see something similar.

Miprocin

The Diabolical Monocle wrote: »

Pass the Mass Spectrometer ....



... yep they're grand. Get em down ya.

Reagent Testing can be done at home by anybody with no technical expertise required...

Czarcasm

kjl wrote: »

This is why I find it an outrage that mobile phone carriers are banning this site from being viewed while on their data network.

"An outrage"? Really?

Their network, their rules. Have they laughed at you on twitter yet for demanding such a stupid request?

The Diabolical Monocle

Miprocin wrote: »

Reagent Testing can be done at home by anybody with no technical expertise required...

Whats to risk ??

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/462698

Conclusions: Neither the Marquis, Mecke, nor Simon's reagents should be used by the public for harm reduction purposes. These agents do not help identify pure MDMA tablets. Gas chromatography-mass spectrometry remains the most sensitive and specific testing method for identifying MDMA and its contaminants.

Miprocin

The Diabolical Monocle wrote: »

Whats to risk ??

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/462698

Conclusions: Neither the Marquis, Mecke, nor Simon's reagents should be used by the public for harm reduction purposes. These agents do not help identify pure MDMA tablets. Gas chromatography-mass spectrometry remains the most sensitive and specific testing method for identifying MDMA and its contaminants.

They do, however, indicate the presence PMA so in the absence of GC/MS they're certainly better than nothing and do save lives.

The Diabolical Monocle

Miprocin wrote: »

They do, however, indicate the presence PMA so in the absence of GC/MS they're certainly better than nothing and do save lives.

Thats given that the manufacture date of your kit is more recent than the manufacture date of your pills and that theres been no change in ecstasy manufacture during any time gap, that hasn't been taken into consideration by the kit manufacturers.

Miprocin

The Diabolical Monocle wrote: »

Thats given that the manufacture date of your kit is more recent than the manufacture date of your pills and that theres been no change in ecstasy manufacture during any time gap, that hasn't been taken into consideration by the kit manufacturers.

I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to say but are you implying that the chemical structure of PMA changes over time or are you saying that a Reagent past it's expiry date is useless?

The first instance is complete nonsense. PMA is PMA regardless of the synthetic route taken. If you mean that Reagent kits go out of date then you are absolutely correct and care should be taken to ensure this doesn't happen.

My apologies if I took you up wrong but I find your meaning unclear.

Holsten

Very stupid move if true.

gctest50

Providing (proper) testing is a better way, there would probably be a melt down if you suggested it though

(they) are taking samples of people's drugs to send them for testing.
They take a very small shaving of each one.
What they're doing is funded by the city of Vienna and they've been doing it for more than a decade

Back at the club, the samples are put into a box and taken to a mobile laboratory off-site at the University of Vienna. Toxicologist Professor Rainer Schmid and his team are working through the night to establish what the drugs are, so the information can be fed back..................

An hour later, another queue has formed - this time at the results board in the venue.

http://www.channel4.com/news/drugs-testing-ecstasy-cocaine-mdma-nightclubs-austria

The Diabolical Monocle

Miprocin wrote: »

I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to say but are you implying that the chemical structure of PMA changes over time or are you saying that a Reagent past it's expiry date is useless?

The first instance is complete nonsense. PMA is PMA regardless of the synthetic route taken. If you mean that Reagent kits go out of date then you are absolutely correct and care should be taken to ensure this doesn't happen.

My apologies if I took you up wrong but I find your meaning unclear.

I mean to say that any development in the ecstasy market which came after the manufacture of a given kit may render the kit un-trustworthy/essentially useless.

For example I buy a test kit today. Next week some manufacturer starts cutting the pills with something new and undetectable to my now outdated kit.

Bobwoodward11

its hard to keep up.

jimgoose

stimpson wrote: »

Works on O2 for me.

Ditto.

jimgoose

The Diabolical Monocle wrote: »

In relation to intenet censorship, I recall reading something about an app which effectively de-centralizes internet access and content.

I browsed it in an article about the current unrest in Thailand and the associated rioting and censorship.

Any see something similar.

You're referring to onion routing. See the TOR Project.

Miprocin

The Diabolical Monocle wrote: »

I mean to say that any development in the ecstasy market which came after the manufacture of a given kit may render the kit un-trustworthy/essentially useless.

For example I buy a test kit today. Next week some manufacturer starts cutting the pills with something new and undetectable to my now outdated kit.

All the substances that could be put into pills contain the Indole or Phenethylamine backbone which means that, yes, they would be detectable barring some major new innovation which seems unlikely.

Anyway, at the moment the problem is PMA and it's cousin PMMA which can be detected. Don't get me wrong, I never meant to suggest that it's a perfect solution.

The Diabolical Monocle

Bobwoodward11 wrote: »

its hard to keep up.

Not really -


You buy a petrol engine car today.

Next week only diesel is available - forever.

Your car is now useless.


You buy a test kit today.

Next week esctasy pills manufacturing changes.

Your test kit is now useless.


You buy a banana today.

Next week you develop chronic terminal banana-itis.

Your banana is now useless. (to you)

gctest50

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http://www.hidemyass.com

Just put the URL in the box and away you go

I wouldn't be doing online banking with it though

brevity

Bananaitis sounds awful

The Diabolical Monocle

Miprocin wrote: »

seems unlikely.

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kjl

Appears to be just vodafone then, still I know I am on a bill phone and can access age restricted content. So definity being blocked.

druguser

just install opera mini on your mobile or tablet ,and you can access any site ,as i was having same problem with 3 Ireland whilst trying to view pill reports, which i think is stupid as i personally know someone who took bad pills because they could not view pillreports on there phone and almost died

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

Works fine on o2

Dravokivich

druguser wrote: »

just install opera mini on your mobile or tablet ,and you can access any site ,as i was having same problem with 3 Ireland whilst trying to view pill reports, which i think is stupid as i personally know someone who took bad pills because they could not view pillreports on there phone and almost died

Their inability to view pill reports had nothing to do with it. If they saw pill reports as a reliable source to judge whether or not they should take something, they shouldn't have taken something they couldn't lookup for sure.

Pill reports, or the lack of access to it, had nothing to do with their decision to take the "bad pills."

Beano

druguser wrote: »

just install opera mini on your mobile or tablet ,and you can access any site ,as i was having same problem with 3 Ireland whilst trying to view pill reports, which i think is stupid as i personally know someone who took bad pills because they could not view pillreports on there phone and almost died

So they took something that they didnt know the contents of and nearly died. and that is somebody elses fault because? how about a little bit of personal responsibility? How about not chucking something down your neck if you dont know what it is?

SpaceTime

Czarcasm wrote: »

"An outrage"? Really?

Their network, their rules. Have they laughed at you on twitter yet for demanding such a stupid request?

Well, when you start to become the 'censor' instead of the 'neutral pipe' you're taking on all sorts of obligations and setting all sorts of precedents. If I were them I wouldn't go near it with a barge pole.

It's equivalent to An Post deciding to riffle through your mail in case it might contain any 'filthy material' or 'dangerous knoweldge'

This is being driven by British legislation, not Irish and they just behave like it's the same market.

Once a network steps through the looking glass and crosses the line from being a neutral carrier to being a content provider / curator / censor they're suddenly taking on a hell of a lot of responsibility and leaving themselves open to all sorts of nonsense.

Would you deem it reasonable if they just blocked you getting access to information about alternative mobile phone services for example, or only let you access products that they were getting sponsorship revenues from?

That's where this is headed.