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Timber frame stud modification

  • 26-05-2014 11:50am
    #1
    Joey the lips
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    I live ins timber frame house. I want to put a set of double doors between the kitchen and sitting room.

    Now if this were a concrete house I'd need a lintel . What is the procedure with timber frame

    I imagine it's a matter of opening the. 6 ft opening screwing 4" baryons from ceiling to floor and using a cross member sitting on the. 4" for support

    But I need exact guide lines as I want to know if I can manage with a carpenter or need someone more skilled

    Links to info would be great


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  • #2
    Gumbo
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    Joey the lips wrote: »
    I live ins timber frame house. I want to put a set of double doors between the kitchen and sitting room.

    Now if this were a concrete house I'd need a lintel . What is the procedure with timber frame

    I imagine it's a matter of opening the. 6 ft opening screwing 4" baryons from ceiling to floor and using a cross member sitting on the. 4" for support

    But I need exact guide lines as I want to know if I can manage with a carpenter or need someone more skilled

    Links to info would be great

    Who manufactured the timer frame in the first place?
    Maybe they could shed some light on what opes can be made. Other than that you need an engineer as it's a structural modification.


  • #3
    Joey the lips
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    I have not a hope of finding out who made it.

    I agree that I might need an engineer. What do they charge for such a service?

    I know an architect but are they qualified?


  • #4
    Gumbo
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    Joey the lips wrote: »

    I know an architect but are they qualified?

    With all due respect to architects, No.
    You may need to open up the wall, as in remove the plasterboard etc so the engineer can see what exactly is going on inside the fabric of the wall.

    Can't answer on price as that depends on location, how much work you want them to so etc maybe call a few and try get rough price over the phone.


  • #5
    galwaytt
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    Joey the lips wrote: »
    I have not a hope of finding out who made it.

    I agree that I might need an engineer. What do they charge for such a service?

    I know an architect but are they qualified?

    Why can't you find out who made it ? That info exists somewhere....

    Anyhoo....the procedure is fundamentally the same as a conc house. I won't give a blow-by-blow account, but you still need a lintel(s) and suitable crippling for it.

    If you can't find who made it, you'll strip the plasterboard off one side up to ceiling/floor above to see how it's made and your engineer will stipulate the exact connections you will need to make. Executing his details will actually be very straightforward compared to a conc house - it's one of the advantages to any TF system- they're actually easier to modify, not more difficult - most people assume the opposite......

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  • #6
    OBrother
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    Internal walls in timber frame houses can be load bearing or non load bearing, but also they can be used to provide "racking", this is side to side resistance to wind. Cutting an opening and putting in a head in a racking wall, could compromise the structural integrity of the original design. While racking walls tend to be sheathed with ply or OSB, don't make assumptions as sometimes the Engineers may use the plasterboard in their calculations.
    When you bought the house there must have been some certification for it. therefore trace it back to the original frame supplier.
    They will have the calculations and design details.


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  • #7
    Joey the lips
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,262 ✭✭✭✭Joey the lips


    I have spoke an engineer folks.

    He asked a few questions, for example

    Is the stud from got ply would with plasterboard over it (no )

    Is it a semi d (yes )

    Then most likely I will be fine but he will charge 380 to come out and specify what's to be done - and certify it on paper


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