Carrying pump in back pocket

outfox

I've been trying this lately. Cos the Rules say so.
Anyway, a few days ago I leaned against a wall too quickly during a spin, and nearly took out a kidney with the pump. I'm wondering if anyone has ever had a fall while carrying a pump this way? Surely there must be a risk of serious damage to the kidneys or spine?

rollingscone

outfox wrote: »

I've been trying this lately. Cos the Rules say so.
Anyway, a few days ago I leaned against a wall too quickly during a spin, and nearly took out a kidney with the pump. I'm wondering if anyone has ever had a fall while carrying a pump this way? Surely there must be a risk of serious damage to the kidneys or spine?

I carry mine in my left hand pocket and because I'm an XL and it's a mini pump it barely protrudes.

H.E. Pennypacker

You're more likely to land on your front/side/head than your back when you come off a bike.

You could always mount it on a frame mounting bracket where you'd normally fit a second bottle cage if its an issue

josealdo

H.E. Pennypacker wrote: »

You're more likely to land on your front/side/head than your back when you come off a bike.

You could always mount it on a frame mounting bracket where you'd normally fit a second bottle cage if its an issue

my pump mounts onto the waterbottle but its a load of **** .

does anyone rate them gas canisters

endacl

Always carry your pump on your mates bike. This is also where you should store your tubes and tool kit.

fixie fox

I had years ago. Very fast downhill on a bumpy road. Heard a clatter on the road behind - looked back - pump fell out. Then into ditch in the moment I was distracted. Landed into a big furze bush - no major damage. Last time carrying pump in back pocket.

stecleary

be and break the rules buy using a saddle bag and co2

Wishbone Ash

outfox wrote: »

.... I leaned against a wall too quickly during a spin....

I tend to avoid leaning against walls during a spin.

Brian?

stecleary wrote: »

be and break the rules buy using a saddle bag and co2

This.

I carry a CO2 pump, tube and tools in a saddle bag. Spare CO2 canister and tube in the back pocket.

nak

You need a Rapha jersey/jacket, they come with a very handy pump sleeve in the middle pocket. No rattling around. Think Howies jerseys do too.

Orion

H.E. Pennypacker wrote: »

You're more likely to land on your front/side/head than your back when you come off a bike.

You could always mount it on a frame mounting bracket where you'd normally fit a second bottle cage if its an issue

They don't take up the space - I have one on my hybrid and the bottle cage goes on over it.

idiottje

figs666 wrote: »

my pump mounts onto the waterbottle but its a load of **** .

does anyone rate them gas canisters

Gas cannisters are good for 2 wheel fills, but once you use them, you only have a couple of days until they go off. Use them for a race, where the time saved in pumping will salvage something for you. Other times, use the mini pump. Mine mounts on to a bracket at the water bottle, but I have an elastic band from a new tube on it also to keep in place.

Mycroft H

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

I tend to avoid leaning against walls during a spin.

Crashed once with a multi tool in my jersey pocket. That alone caused more pain then the fall.

Never put anything harder than a bannana in there now.

cdaly_

I use gas 'cos it's a pain in the arse trying to get 100psi with my pump (which lives on the frame also).

smurphy29

In the pockets. Put the rolled up tube between you and the pump. Job done.

doozerie

My pump is on the frame, on a bracket attached between bottle cage and bike. The pump is a Lezyne Road Drive and its bracket works very well - not a hint of the pump moving or dislodging over many thousands of kilometres even over the most rubbish roads. I’ve had similarly good experiences with the bracket for my previous Blackburn mini-pump, I think any decent pump-mounting bracket should be very reliable.

I don’t carry a pump in my pocket because of the risk of it falling out, because of the risk of it digging into me in a fall, and because the pump is simply too long (I’m not a fan of the shortest of the mini-pumps, I’d sooner carry the minimal extra weight of a longer pump for the greater benefits it offers when actually using it, so I use the longest version of the Road Drive pump).

The brother of a friend of mine once carried a new saddle home from the bike shop in the centre rear pocket of his jersey. Someone opened a car door in front of him enroute, he sailed over the bars, and landing flat on his back, the rails of the new saddle digging in against his spine. Apparently the pain was so intense that he couldn’t move for a while and he genuinely feared he had broken his back. It was several days before he was able to walk fully upright, without stooping. He never carried anything hard and bulky in that middle jersey pocket again, and his story left me with a similar wariness.

Cee-Jay-Cee

idiottje wrote: »

Gas cannisters are good for 2 wheel fills, but once you use them, you only have a couple of days until they go off. Use them for a race, where the time saved in pumping will salvage something for you. Other times, use the mini pump. Mine mounts on to a bracket at the water bottle, but I have an elastic band from a new tube on it also to keep in place.

No idea what you mean by the above. The gas canisters I use do one fill and pump the tyres to 110psi. They don't 'go off' and a tyre I pumped 3 months ago with a co2 canister is still fully inflated.

Bloggsie

pump attached to water bottle cage, only thing in back pockets are energy gels & food, front pocket mobile phone and small amount of cash small pouch under saddle for tubes & tools.

lennymc

gas in a saddle bag, good to get you home then a good pump. Re the 3 month gas pump - ive never even gotten 3 days out of a canister pumped tyre without it loosing pressure.

rollingscone

I carry C02 and a mini pump on the understanding that if I use the mini pump it's only to let me limp to home or a friendly lbs.

Whereas I carry C02 with the expectation of carrying on my intended journey.

idiottje

CJC999 wrote: »

No idea what you mean by the above. The gas canisters I use do one fill and pump the tyres to 110psi. They don't 'go off' and a tyre I pumped 3 months ago with a co2 canister is still fully inflated.

I meant the canister looses gas, not the tyre. What canisters are you using? I get 2 wheels to about 100 psi out of the Giant (maker not the size) that I use.

outfox

Based on the Mycroft and Doozerie replies above, it looks like carrying a pump in the back pocket may be risky. My pump currently clips into the bidon cage thingy on my bikes, but it just looks wrong. Spoiling the lines, and all that. Where else can these things clip into?

idiottje

outfox wrote: »

Based on the Mycroft and Doozerie replies above, it looks like carrying a pump in the back pocket may be risky. My pump currently clips into the bidon cage thingy on my bikes, but it just looks wrong. Spoiling the lines, and all that. Where else can these things clip into?

A friend of mine uses these on his bike that had no lug nuts. He has a few sets at different points on the bike.

http://www.wiggle.co.uk/elite-vip-bottle-cage-clamps/

cdaly_

idiottje wrote: »

I meant the canister looses gas, not the tyre. What canisters are you using? I get 2 wheels to about 100 psi out of the Giant (maker not the size) that I use.

This sort of CO2 cartridge. Doesn't leak, fills one 700cx25 tyre to about 100psi.

daragh_

outfox wrote: »

Based on the Mycroft and Doozerie replies above, it looks like carrying a pump in the back pocket may be risky. My pump currently clips into the bidon cage thingy on my bikes, but it just looks wrong. Spoiling the lines, and all that. Where else can these things clip into?

Do you use both Bidons? I'm thinking of using my second one to carry a pump, tube etc on the good bike.

doozerie

outfox wrote: »

My pump currently clips into the bidon cage thingy on my bikes, but it just looks wrong. Spoiling the lines, and all that.

That wasn't a concern for me, but the Lezyne Road Drive is probably about as sleek as a mini-pump gets though, is available in different sizes (shorter is probably more discrete at the expense of taking longer to inflate a tyre), and different colours too (black, white, silver, maybe more). Here is a random online photo of one in situ:



Incidentally, this pump is perfectly capable of inflating a tyre enough to allow you to continue on your ride. It obviously takes more effort and time than a CO2 cartridge, but it is also obviously re-usable time and again which is reassuring if you are on a long ride. So while cartridges are convenient they are certainly not the only option for dealing with flats.

maloner

doozerie wrote: »

Incidentally, this pump is perfectly capable of inflating a tyre enough to allow you to continue on your ride

I can vouch for both Doozeries pump, and his pumping prowess. I had a slow puncture last week, and he did a fine job. Twice, after my valve came unscrewed after his first effort.

So, another option, is get Doozerie to get a pump and bring him along.

Lumen

doozerie wrote: »

That wasn't a concern for me, but the Lezyne Road Drive is probably about as sleek as a mini-pump gets though, is available in different sizes (shorter is probably more discrete at the expense of taking longer to inflate a tyre), and different colours too (black, white, silver, maybe more)

According to Lezyne, the Road Drive inflates slower but with less effort than the Pressure Drive of equivalent length, due to its narrower cylinder bore.

Doesn't this make it a bit...wimpy?

Which size do you use: small, medium or large?

LennoxR

Always carry pump in back pocket, don't see what the issue is. It never falls out and, regards co2 canisters, what's the point? The pump is fine for inflating to reasonable pressure and can be used as many times as you need to.

doozerie

Lumen wrote: »

According to Lezyne, the Road Drive inflates slower but with less effort than the Pressure Drive of equivalent length, due to its narrower cylinder bore.

Doesn't this make it a bit...wimpy?

Which size do you use: small, medium or large?

I use the large. My wife has the Pressure Drive (medium, I think), I haven't used the Pressure Drive in a while but I must try both one after the other to compare them.

I realised again recently that Lezyne claim the Road Drive, and perhaps the Pressure Drive, will inflate to 160psi. They must be using it to inflate their exaggerated marketing campaign then.

Lumen

LennoxR wrote: »

Always carry pump in back pocket, don't see what the issue is.

Having pockets full of tools isn't great in a crash.

LennoxR

Lumen wrote: »

Having pockets full of tools isn't great in a crash.

As I said I've crashed before with my plastic mini pump in my pocket and it's never been an issue. You don't generally land on your back and anyway it's just plastic. I've used on-frame pump mounts too which are good, I'm just too lazy to put the bracket on these days.

But again, the co2 canisters I think are really pointless unless you're racing.

maloner

LennoxR wrote: »

But again, the co2 canisters I think are really pointless unless you're racing.

I was of the same opinion a few years back till I saw em in action and was converted pretty quick. Possibly because the pump I had wasn't great and getting any more than 80psi into a tyre wasn't really an option and I broke at least one valve with it (it was direct connect rather than having a flexible tube). Compared to that C02 is fab, but obviously when you run out of co2 your snookered.

tomdempsey200

doozerie wrote: »

My pump is on the frame, on a bracket attached between bottle cage and bike. The pump is a Lezyne Road Drive and its bracket works very well - not a hint of the pump moving or dislodging over many thousands of kilometres even over the most rubbish roads. I’ve had similarly good experiences with the bracket for my previous Blackburn mini-pump, I think any decent pump-mounting bracket should be very reliable.

I don’t carry a pump in my pocket because of the risk of it falling out, because of the risk of it digging into me in a fall, and because the pump is simply too long (I’m not a fan of the shortest of the mini-pumps, I’d sooner carry the minimal extra weight of a longer pump for the greater benefits it offers when actually using it, so I use the longest version of the Road Drive pump).

The brother of a friend of mine once carried a new saddle home from the bike shop in the centre rear pocket of his jersey. Someone opened a car door in front of him enroute, he sailed over the bars, and landing flat on his back, the rails of the new saddle digging in against his spine. Apparently the pain was so intense that he couldn’t move for a while and he genuinely feared he had broken his back. It was several days before he was able to walk fully upright, without stooping. He never carried anything hard and bulky in that middle jersey pocket again, and his story left me with a similar wariness.

the road drive seems to have a flexible hose ? I reckon that must be better

I have the regular fixed head mini pump
but I do wonder if it will be any good in an emergency

doozerie

tomdempsey200 wrote: »

the road drive seems to have a flexible hose ? I reckon that must be better

I have the regular fixed head mini pump
but I do wonder if it will be any good in an emergency

Yes the Road Drive does use a flexible hose. It's down to personal taste to a certain extent, but I prefer the flexible hose overall (there are times where a direct push-on head can be handy too though, depends on how you prefer to hold the pump when using it).

Another feature of the Lezyne's is that the flexible hose screws onto the valve rather than pushing on. This has advantages too, *but* if you have valves with removal cores then the heat build-up from inflating the tyre can cause the hose to grip the valve core more tightly than the valve does so that when you try to unscrew the hose you actually unscrew the valve core itself and lose all air from the tyre. Not an issue with valves that do not have removable cores of course, and perhaps not an issue with valves whose removable cores are "properly" tightened (which they seem not to be, out of the box).

The current versions of Lezyne hose have a little bleed valve/button on the end of the hose which releases trapped air from the hose before you unscrew it. Lezyne say that this solves the problem of the hose "sticking" to the valve core. This has been hit and miss for me, it didn't avoid the problem at all when using it on maloner's tube recently. Tightening the valve core might have solved the problem, but that's not easy to do at the side of the road unless you happen to have a suitable tool with you.

Fortunately though, my Road Drive has a hose with a Presta thread-on head at one end, and a Presta push-on head at the other (both heads can thread into the pump, so the hose is entirely reversible) so I swapped the hose and we got the tyre inflated and avoided inadvertantly removing the valve core again. That hose came with the pump when I bought it, you can buy Lezyne hoses separately too, but from a recent check online those versions of hose have a Schraeder thread-on head at one end and Presta thread-on at the other, i.e. they don't have the push-on Presta head at all. If I was buying another Road Drive I'd try to get one which had the reversible hose for Presta only, that push-on head could be the difference between continuing your ride and walking home (if you use tubes with removable valve cores).

Brian?

idiottje wrote: »

I meant the canister looses gas, not the tyre. What canisters are you using? I get 2 wheels to about 100 psi out of the Giant (maker not the size) that I use.

The canisters are completely sealed so they should never lose pressure. Unless you're screwing them into the pump before you actually need them? Are you screwing them in and carrying them like that?

They're supposed to be stored upside down in the pump or loose so the seal isn't broken.

outfox

daragh_ wrote: »

Do you use both Bidons? I'm thinking of using my second one to carry a pump, tube etc on the good bike.

I got a tool bottle thing a few years ago, with a wide aperture to store tools etc. It works, but unfortunately 2 water bottles are a must.

Keep_Her_Lit

idiottje wrote: »

I meant the canister looses gas, not the tyre. What canisters are you using? I get 2 wheels to about 100 psi out of the Giant (maker not the size) that I use.

Brian? wrote: »

The canisters are completely sealed so they should never lose pressure. Unless you're screwing them into the pump before you actually need them? Are you screwing them in and carrying them like that?

They're supposed to be stored upside down in the pump or loose so the seal isn't broken.

Since idiottje can inflate two tyres to 100 psi from a single canister, I'm guessing that, having inflated the first tyre, the remaining gas in the canister then leaks away over a relatively short space of time - perhaps days rather than months. As I understand it, most CO2 pumps aren't designed for long term storage of part used canisters.

BTW, idiottje, what pump/canister combo do you use? I certainly wouldn't get 2 x 100psi out of mine (BBB pump with generic 16g canisters).

fixie fox

LennoxR wrote: »

As I said I've crashed before with my plastic mini pump in my pocket and it's never been an issue. You don't generally land on your back and anyway it's just plastic. I've used on-frame pump mounts too which are good, I'm just too lazy to put the bracket on these days.

But again, the co2 canisters I think are really pointless unless you're racing.

I have the Co2 can etc in a saddle pouch with tube etc and only think about it one or twice a year when/if I puncture. I think it's a lot handier than stuffing stuff in pockets every spin. But 'each to their own'