travelling to Ireland with Greek I.D

uptherebels

Was booking tickets with aer lingus/aer arann for a friend to fly Edinburgh to Cork.
On their website it said that people who were not a citizen of the UK or Ireland would need to bring a passport.
The problem is my friend only has her Greek national I.D.
She has flown around Europe on this without any problems
Is her I.D sufficient to pass through passport control in cork? or is this just aer arann policy?
also would her I.D be ok to fly Edinburgh to Belfast? or is it dependant on individual airlines

Quazzie

uptherebels wrote: »

Was booking tickets with aer lingus/aer arann for a friend to fly Edinburgh to Cork.
On their website it said that people who were not a citizen of the UK or Ireland would need to bring a passport.
The problem is my friend only has her Greek national I.D.
She has flown around Europe on this without any problems
Is her I.D sufficient to pass through passport control in cork? or is this just aer arann policy?
also would her I.D be ok to fly Edinburgh to Belfast? or is it dependant on individual airlines

I doubt she will get into Edinburgh without a passport, never mind anywhere beyond there.

uptherebels

Quazzie wrote: »

I doubt she will get into Edinburgh without a passport, never mind anywhere beyond there.

sorry should have said she lives in the UK and has travelled to italy and other parts of europe with just her I.D

Quazzie

uptherebels wrote: »

sorry should have said she lives in the UK

Travel within the British isles doesn't require a passport so there is every chance she will get away with it. If however she doesn't there might be questions asked about how she got into the UK with no passport.

uptherebels

Quazzie wrote: »

Travel within the British isles doesn't require a passport so there is every chance she will get away with it. If however she doesn't there might be questions asked about how she got into the UK with no passport.

http://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/travel/entry-exit/eu-citizen/index_en.htm


You must still show a valid ID card or passport when travelling to or from Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus, Ireland, Romania and the United Kingdom. Though part of the EU, these countries do not belong to the border-free Schengen area.

Sheldons Brain

Quazzie wrote: »

Travel within the British isles doesn't require a passport so there is every chance she will get away with it. If however she doesn't there might be questions asked about how she got into the UK with no passport.

Did you read the OPs post? If you did then the above is very unhelpful.
His friend is an EU citizen with her national ID, she need only produce this when flying, there will be no questions whatsoever.

uptherebels

Sheldons Brain wrote: »

Did you read the OPs post? If you did then the above is very unhelpful.
His friend is an EU citizen with her national ID, she need only produce this when flying, there will be no questions whatsoever.

thanks, but this is the problem I found
http://www.aerlingus.com/travelinformation/knowbeforeyoufly/visaspassports/

Note: In order to travel between Ireland and the UK with photo identification other than a passport, passengers must have been born in Ireland or the UK and also be a citizen of either country.
Citizens of countries other than Ireland and the UK must produce a valid passport and visa where applicable, for travel between Ireland and the United Kingdom.

and i just checked here http://www.corkairportguide.com/arriving/passport-control/

European citizens who are accustomed to passing freely between member nations will find slightly different protocol here. They are required to submit to immigration control but only need to show a valid national ID card. Passports are accepted but not required.

so this is aer lingus policy?

killbillvol2

Quazzie wrote: »

Travel within the British isles doesn't require a passport so there is every chance she will get away with it. If however she doesn't there might be questions asked about how she got into the UK with no passport.

Sheldons Brain wrote: »

Did you read the OPs post? If you did then the above is very unhelpful.
His friend is an EU citizen with her national ID, she need only produce this when flying, there will be no questions whatsoever.

Neither of you read/understood the OP's post.

The issue is getting on the plane and a passport is needed in this case if you're not a UK or Irish citizen. It's an Aer Lingus issue and immigration etc. is irrelevant.

Quazzie

killbillvol2 wrote: »

Neither of you read/understood the OP's post.

The issue is getting on the plane and a passport is needed in this case if you're not a UK or Irish citizen.

But how will they know that the person is greek if she just stands and queues with everyone else?

Sheldons Brain

I suspect this is lazy wording by Aer Lingus.
They also state that ID cards are acceptable within the EU and this is in the EU
http://www.aerlingus.com/travelinformation/knowbeforeyoufly/visaspassports/#d.en.4569

killbillvol2

Quazzie wrote: »

But how will they know that the person is greek if she just stands and queues with everyone else?

She won't be allowed on the plane without a passport. They do check ID.

killbillvol2

Sheldons Brain wrote: »

I suspect this is lazy wording by Aer Lingus.
They also state that ID cards are acceptable within the EU and this is in the EU
http://www.aerlingus.com/travelinformation/knowbeforeyoufly/visaspassports/#d.en.4569

Look above what you've quoted.

"Travel between Ireland and the UK or UK Domestic travel
Citizens of Ireland and the UK must carry some form of official photo identification.

Note: In order to travel between Ireland and the UK with photo identification other than a passport, passengers must have been born in Ireland or the UK and also be a citizen of either country.


The following forms of photo identification are acceptable:

Valid Passport
Driver's licence with photo
International student card
National ID card / Government issued photo ID cards
Health Insurance cards with photo / Social security cards with photo
Bus pass with photo
Work ID with photo
Citizens of Ireland and the UK under the age of 16, do not need a photo ID, if travelling with their parent/guardian.

Citizens of countries other than Ireland and the UK must produce a valid passport and visa where applicable, for travel between Ireland and the United Kingdom."

It's anything but lazy - it's very specific, if you can read.

uptherebels

its ok if its just aer lingus that need a passport. I'll just have to find another airline

killbillvol2

uptherebels wrote: »

its ok if its just aer lingus that need a passport. I'll just have to find another airline

Ryanair insist on a passport too. Not sure who else flies from Scotland to Cork.

uptherebels

killbillvol2 wrote: »

Ryanair insist on a passport too. Not sure who else flies from Scotland to Cork.

I can drive and pick her up at another airport.just don't want her going to the airport and being turned away.
Also is ryanair insisting on passports not just for Irish/british as they dont have national ID's

http://www.ryanair.com/ie/terms-and-conditions/regulations-traveldocumentation/

THE ONLY FORMS OF TRAVEL DOCUMENTS ACCEPTED ON RYANAIR FLIGHTS ARE:
A valid passport
A valid National Identity Card issued by the government of a European Economic Area (EEA) country. (Only the following EEA countries currentlyissue National Identity Cards acceptable for carriage on Ryanair flights: Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Estonia, Finland, France*, Germany, Gibraltar, Greece, Hungary, Italy, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Malta, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden (not accepted on non Schengen flights), Switzerland). *The validity of French National ID cards (issued for adults) has been extended from 10 years to 15 years.


so Irish/british have to use a passport but others dont?

Sheldons Brain

killbillvol2 wrote: »

Look above what you've quoted.
It's anything but lazy - it's very specific, if you can read.

No need for snide comments about being able to read. I pointed put that Aer Lingus have stated that an EU ID is valid for travel in the EU and this is in the EU. Consequently, their instructions are unclear.

Ryanair insist on a passport too.

They do not, perhaps you too have reading difficulties.

They state "passengers should carry a valid passport (and visa if applicable) or EU/EEA government issued national identification card on all journeys."

OP, I would contact Aer Lingus before deciding what to do. If it turns out the ID card will suffice, as I expect, then tell them to get proper website.

killbillvol2

Would the ferry be an option? I think you're limited to Aer Lingus and Ryanair out of Scotland.

Otherwise it would be something like Heathrow-Dublin with BA or Birmingham/Manchester-Waterford with Flybe. Not sure what their policy on ID is though.

uptherebels

killbillvol2 wrote: »

Would the ferry be an option? I think you're limited to Aer Lingus and Ryanair out of Scotland.

Otherwise it would be something like Heathrow-Dublin with BA or Birmingham/Manchester-Waterford with Flybe. Not sure what their policy on ID is though.

If it comes to it ill drive to belfast. but hopefully it wont come to that.

veetwin

Lads some of ye are talking complete nonsense, others are over complicating the issue.

Either way an EU National ID card is perfectly valid for travelling within the EU including Ryanair and Aer Lingus.

veetwin

killbillvol2 wrote: »

She won't be allowed on the plane without a passport. They do check ID.

This is just wrong. Millions of people all over the EU travel on their National ID cards everyday including between UK and Ireland.

goingnowhere

EU National ID card is 100% fine for travel anywhere in the EU (actually EEA).

The requirement is, if you hold a EU National ID, that you are a citizen of the EEA and this must be shown on the ID card.

Certain countries ID cards do not state nationality and cannot be used, e.g Sweeden

For issues of this nature to avoid any confusion go to the website of the UK immigration authorities

https://www.gov.uk/uk-border-control/before-you-leave-for-the-uk

There will be no formal passport check on a IE to UK flight. The rules for travel between Ireland and UK predate the EU so do not make reference to EU rules which now apply.

For IE to UK
If IE or UK citizen, just about anything with your name and photo will do (Ryanair have opted for their own internal reasons not to accept this)
if EEA citizen, EEA national ID card stating nationality as EEA or passport
Non EEA citizen, passport

keithclancy

Yes this is normal, I know an English Family with English passports living in Holland and they travel on their Dutch Identification cards all the time.

killbillvol2

veetwin wrote: »

This is just wrong. Millions of people all over the EU travel on their National ID cards everyday including between UK and Ireland.

Sorry, I was answering the question about just standing in a queue and nobody knowing she was Greek - the airline will obviously check some form of ID. Answering questions at 2 am should come with a health warning!

For the OP contacting Aer Lingus is clearly the way to go as their website is contradictory at best.

veetwin

killbillvol2 wrote: »

Sorry, I was answering the question about just standing in a queue and nobody knowing she was Greek - the airline will obviously check some form of ID. Answering questions at 2 am should come with a health warning!

For the OP contacting Aer Lingus is clearly the way to go as their website is contradictory at best.

Yes I suppose she should contact the airline if she wants to waste her time. Any EU national will be perfectly aware though that they don't need a passport to travel between all European countries. Their National ID does the same job.

Your original point is still wrong though as you say the website is badly worded.

Sheldons Brain

It is a rather sad reflection on Aer Lingus that this discussion can arise. Surely they can put clear instructions on their website.

conor_ie

OP...if you give tweet @Aerlingus your question, they will be able to answer you. More than likely within a couple of hours.