Language School Closures.

Un Croissant

I'm watching the six one news and they are discussing language schools closing in recent weeks. While its good that the regulations are getting tighter but it drives me mad to hear that some students had paid 8,250e in fees just last Monday. Bloody scandalous.

What do you think AH? Does Ireland look incompetent? Would you be suggesting people to avoid Ireland for this type of study? Will they get their money back? Approximately 320 students out of 8,250e.

Tail Docker

Un Croissant wrote: »

I'm watching the six one news and they are discussing language schools closing in recent weeks. While its good that the regulations are getting tighter but it drives me mad to hear that some students had paid 8,250e in fees just last Monday. Bloody scandalous.

What do you think AH? Does Ireland look incompetent? Would you be suggesting people to avoid Ireland for this type of study? Will they get their money back? Approximately 320 students out of 8,250e.

That's one word for it. If there are no refunds, I can think of a few more.

mike65

Total scam, as usual whole sub-stratas can develop and the state is out to lunch as people are robbed.

gugleguy

my tuppence:

1. YES.
2. NO. I worked for an english school as well many many years ago.
3. I cannot give confident answer. Ofcourse they should.

P_1

The industry certainly needs a bit of reform (though what industry doesn't in fairness). It strikes me that some of these schools that have closed might well have been conduits for dodging visa restrictions (now obviously not everybody attending them was just doing so to get around visa restrictions) and the owners were getting out of dodge.

hfallada

It's great to see that the government is cracking down on them. A lot of "English language students" are people coming here to work. Their language visa is just a way that can legally work in the country. Despite our unemployment problem, there is plently of Hispanics working in Dublin. Why should we be handing out visas to let people work here in minimum wage jobs?

BattleCorp

Would it not be better to fcuk out people abusing the system rather than penalising everybody in the school?

Un Croissant

'They are adults. They have to learn not to pay for cheap courses'

Some cnut on the news. 8.000 fing euros!!

Smidge

After hearing that report, I reckon there could have possibly been more underhanded dealings going on there than just ripping people off for cours fees.

I am pie

Plenty of "hispanics" in Dublin.

You mean Spanish, from the EU like.

Unless you are confident enough in your Spanish that you can identify the Latin Americans. At which point I'm sure you've ruled out those with EU passports due to Italian / Spanish families.

Plenty of muppets in Dublin spouting nonsense in fairness, probably moreso than any "hispanics"

KungPao

I think one of this school's students wrote this statement...

--The notice states that "with deepest regret that I would like to inform you that the Board of Millennium College Dublin decided to cease the trading due to the suspended by immigration services the company arising financial crisis".--

Fr_Dougal

Smidge wrote: »

After hearing that report, I reckon there could have possibly been more underhanded dealings going on there than just ripping people off for cours fees.

An investigation was carried out in the UK regarding similar language schools, ended up being a cheap way for South Americans to get a visa; most didn't actually attend the schools and went working in the black economy.

Smidge

KungPao wrote: »

I think one of this school's students wrote this statement...

--The notice states that "with deepest regret that I would like to inform you that the Board of Millennium College Dublin decided to cease the trading due to the suspended by immigration services the company arising financial crisis".--

Money well spent there.

KungPao

I am pie wrote: »

Plenty of "hispanics" in Dublin.

You mean Spanish, from the EU like.

Unless you are confident enough in your Spanish that you can identify the Latin Americans. At which point I'm sure you've ruled out those with EU passports due to Italian / Spanish families.

Plenty of muppets in Dublin spouting nonsense in fairness, probably moreso than any "hispanics"

He probably means Brazilians. Lots of them here doing these courses.

mad muffin

*goes off to open English language school *


Please be welcoming to Senior Manuel Inglish language Shcool.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-oH-TELcLE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6EaoPMANQM

Olive8585

Bogus schools not good, but I feel for the teachers. Know a good few people working in language schools in Dublin who may soon be out of a job.

Seaneh

I am pie wrote: »

Plenty of "hispanics" in Dublin.

You mean Spanish, from the EU like.

Unless you are confident enough in your Spanish that you can identify the Latin Americans. At which point I'm sure you've ruled out those with EU passports due to Italian / Spanish families.

Plenty of muppets in Dublin spouting nonsense in fairness, probably moreso than any "hispanics"

First of all "hispanic" means form the Island of Hispaniola (Big Island devided between The Dominican Republic and Haiti). There are very, very, very few Hispanic people in Dublin.

There is a metric fu*kton of Latin Americans in Dublin though. Mostly Brazilian and Venezuelan but a good scattering of Colombian, Peruvian and Argentinians for good messure. They are mostly EFL students and most of them here are legitimately studying in Dublin. I'm sure some of them are abusing the system and using it as a way to bypass work visa processes but most of them are just here to learn English for a few months to a year to further their job prospects back home.

KungPao

KungPao wrote: »

I think one of this school's students wrote this statement...

--The notice states that "with deepest regret that I would like to inform you that the Board of Millennium College Dublin decided to cease the trading due to the suspended by immigration services the company arising financial crisis".--

Here's another from the website of the recently closed Irish Business School...

"That’s why We emphasize the importance of pronunciation and writing of our students, from the selection of our teachers-where everyone speaks English as mother tongue, as the variation of students per classroom where, as so limited number of students."

Dodgy English seems to be a common trait of these schools.

yeahimhere

Olive8585 wrote: »

Bogus schools not good, but I feel for the teachers. Know a good few people working in language schools in Dublin who may soon be out of a job.

Seems like if the school is legit then they'll be fine. As others have said, a lot of these schools were bogus, basically paying a fee to get a student visa so they could work and will end up 'studying' for many years. Surprisingly without improving your English.

Gone West

hfallada wrote: »

It's great to see that the government is cracking down on them. A lot of "English language students" are people coming here to work. Their language visa is just a way that can legally work in the country. Despite our unemployment problem, there is plently of Hispanics working in Dublin. Why should we be handing out visas to let people work here in minimum wage jobs?

Yes! Damn those Hispanics! Damn them I say!
Working here!
The real victim are the guys at home on the couch all day who would just love to work minimum wage, but can't because "dey tuk arr jaabs", right?

Most "hispanics" I know are either working multilingual jobs, or are skilled, and there are tons of jobs going just very few Irish people with the skills who aren't already in a job. They aren't a threat...
Believe me, if they weren't here working as engineers or developers, the tech companies would move elsewhere.

yeahimhere

Fuzzy wrote: »

Yes! Damn those Hispanics! Damn them I say!
Working here!
The real victim are the guys at home on the couch all day who would just love to work minimum wage, but can't because "dey tuk arr jaabs", right?

Most "hispanics" I know are either working multilingual jobs, or are skilled, and there are tons of jobs going just very few Irish people with the skills who aren't already in a job. They aren't a threat...
Believe me, if they weren't here working as engineers or developers, the tech companies would move elsewhere.

I don't think he's referring to skilled workers, they'd usually have the correct visa. It's usually the unskilled jobs. The issue is screwing the system by appearing to come in on a student visa, by not actually being a student and working more hours than legally allowed under that visa.

Olive8585

Fuzzy wrote: »

Yes! Damn those Hispanics! Damn them I say!
Working here!
The real victim are the guys at home on the couch all day who would just love to work minimum wage, but can't because "dey tuk arr jaabs", right?

Most "hispanics" I know are either working multilingual jobs, or are skilled, and there are tons of jobs going just very few Irish people with the skills who aren't already in a job. They aren't a threat...
Believe me, if they weren't here working as engineers or developers, the tech companies would move elsewhere.

Not sure where this whole 'Hispanics' thing comes from. Do Irish people just hear it used by Americans and copy them? It's not like the US, where loads of illegal Mexicans are working as maids. Most of the Latin Americans who come to Ireland are in fact well-educated professionals, or are doing service jobs that locals do not want to do or don't do well.

KungPao

Olive8585 wrote: »

Not sure where this whole 'Hispanics' thing comes from. Do Irish people just hear it used by Americans and copy them? It's not like the US, where loads of illegal Mexicans are working as maids. Most of the Latin Americans who come to Ireland are in fact well-educated professionals, or are doing service jobs that locals do not want to do or don't do well.

I know a fair few Brazilians here. Some working the tills in your local Daybreak/Spar etc. and the others in office jobs doing translations and stuff.

All have degrees.