Israel to create it's own next boogey man

Brown Bomber

This is less of a theory and more of a prediction.

It's the coming together at the same time of a couple of different factors.

1) The joining of Hamas to the PLO
2) The acceptance of PLO of a two-state solution
3) The public desire of Netanyahu of a two-state solution.
4) The actual desire of Netanyahu for no solution and expansion of the settlements.

"He (Abbas) agreed to a demilitarized state; he agreed to the border outline so 80 percent of settlers would continue living in Israeli territory; he agreed for Israel to keep secui ty sensitive areas (mostly in the Jordan Valley - NB) for five years, and then the United States would take over. He accepted the fact that in the Israeli perception, the Palestinians would never be trustworthy.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4515821,00.html

Israel needs an enemy to blame for choosing the path of war. Hamas, who Israel supported the rise of, is moving away from this territory. Israel will have to create it's own enemy. Be it a Hamas splinter group (sponsored by Iran, Hezbollah expansion or international jihadis spilled over from Syria, Iraq, Egypt and Libya I just hope it doesn't kill innocent Jews to establish this.

Torakx

I saw mention alright of them needing another infitada, I'm guessing that is a conflict along the border or something like that.
As you indicated an emeny of the state I think.

It looks to me like the US has gotten it's roots into the enemies of Israel recently with installing puppet dictators and "democracies".
This may be enough reason for them to pull out of the Israel-palestine conflict and move base operations further into the middle east, while using Ireland still as a stopping station on the way over to their domination of the middle east.

If they do ditch Israel, that's bad news for the Jewish state and bad news for the palestinians too I am guessing.

They probably make valid points about China and Russia, also could say the same for the US for sure!
But they are not big enough to be able to dominate and kill the way the bigger states can with impunity.

In that sense alone they could probably do with a "terrorist" threat to justify any aggressive actions they take in the future, if they are left with their backs to the wall regarding their domination of Palestine.

But I really haven't been following this lately. So pick this theory apart or fill in the gaps
I tend to just visualize a world map and picture the power struggle from that perspective.
To me the bigger picture is the US bypassing Israel to get a foothold in the middle east. Maybe Syria or there abouts for now?
Maybe why Russia was or looked to be aiding rebellion to the takeover.
The US have or are already installing anti missile basis to the south/west I think of Russia to block their trajectory across to the west.
With a base around the middle east, Russia are left with an eastern push and not much to the south I think.
And Bill gates has the north pole for his seeds and mountain of doom lol

If that's all true and the US, Russia and China have not aligned in secret, we could have a massive standoff when all those smaller territories are conquered.
Again correct my imagination if it's way off. I am kind of riffing here.

Harold Weiss

Israel has no intention of ever making peace with Palestinians, let's acknowledge it because it's patently clear when you are trying to make peace with people driven from their land, you don't intensify settlements on that land.

There will never be a 2 state solution to this issue, the extremist elements of Jewish people in and outside of Israel would be far happier to exterminate every Palestinian today if they could get away with it and I'm not even exaggerating. They're absolutely insane.

I don't see Israel falling apart from an external threat, it's more likely to dissolve from the inside by the hands of its own loopy citizens.

You essentially have a country that defines itself as "the Jewish state of Israel" yet in order to "preserve the Jewish identity" you cannot allow black people to settle there.

Take for example the deportation of Eritrean and Sudanese asylum-seekers to Sweden and Uganda or the forced sterilization of Ethiopian women, none of which were reported by the mainstream media (for obvious reasons)

Israel is just a country of special white people that has very little chance of surviving even with the support of an empire like Russia (where 1 fifth originate from) or the US.

Torakx

Careful now...
Don't want to appear racist.

enno99

The Syria /Russia thing has me wondering

Syria is going to fall one way or another and Putin was going to lose his naval base there
So he grabs Crimea (with the consent of the other players) now he can expand his black sea fleet as much as he likes


So Syrians/Palestinians take a poke at Israel maybe with some of Assad,s alleged chemicals Russia has to withdraw its support

Israel gets its bogeymen and can attack syria/Palestine with the help of the others the banksters get their hooks into Ukraine IMF /EU /US send Joe Bidens son to oversee rape of all its resources and frack the fu(k out of it and everybody gets paid

Only losers are the people as per usual

Nice days work if you ca get it :D

BuilderPlumber

Who REALLY are Israel's friends and enemies is not as clear as one may think. Its obvious friends are the USA, EU and other Western states. Its obvious enemies are mostly gone. Saddam, Nasser, etc. all gone.

Its less obvious friend is Iran. They merely pretend to be enemies because it suits both of them. Iran can blame someone else to justify silencing opposition to the regime. Israel can continue to run itself as an arms-dominated state. Iran and Israel have no reason whatsoever to be enemies, in fact they shared the same enemy in Saddam and other Arab nationalism. They are not enemies and yes Israel even supported Revolutionary Guards-run 1980s Iran (as distinct from Pahlavi Shah Iran) against Saddam.

We hear all this anti-Israel rhetoric out of Revolutionary Guards Iran ever since 1979 and especially during the Ahmadinejad period. Ahmadinejad talked too like Saddam to be real! But ironically the first Iranian leader to speak out against Israel's dominance of the Western world, Middle East and international media was not Revolutionary Guards junta strongmen like General Jafari or their figurehead priests like Khomeini and Khamenei or Ahmadinejad: it actually was Mohammed Reza Pahlavi, the last pre-Revolutionary Guards (and officially pro-West/Israel) king (Shah) of Iran.

Hamas and Hezbollah are convenient for a lot of things too. While not exactly friends of Israel, they benefit Israel and Israel has always set one Palestinian or Lebanese group off against another to keep them weak and divided.

In short, Israel (like the West) needs to have 'enemies' to justify its existence it would seem. I am sure that somewhere soon some 'evil dictator' will rise up in some Arab country like Egypt or post-Assad Syria and become Israel's new arch enemy. With Iran's new president and government less inclined to play undercover games than Ahmadinejad, Iran may well come in from the closet and be an open ally of Iarael when the time is right and both governments can sell it without losing face. And of course most of the real enemies like Saddam and Assad are either gone or totally weakened. Then, Israel will need someone else to play that role. Besides, Assad Jr was never truly hateful to Israel like his father was. So, Israel will need to get its new enemy country very soon. It has to be an Arab country (to be honest, Israel being an 'enemy' of a Persian country like Iran has only ever worked out because a lot of people mistake Iran for being an Arab country: closer examination would show that in reality, Iranians would have no truck whatsoever with the Saddam-supporting Palestinians).

Brown Bomber

Brown Bomber wrote: »

This is less of a theory and more of a prediction.

It's the coming together at the same time of a couple of different factors.

1) The joining of Hamas to the PLO
2) The acceptance of PLO of a two-state solution
3) The public desire of Netanyahu of a two-state solution.
4) The actual desire of Netanyahu for no solution and expansion of the settlements.



Israel needs an enemy to blame for choosing the path of war. Hamas, who Israel supported the rise of, is moving away from this territory. Israel will have to create it's own enemy. Be it a Hamas splinter group (sponsored by Iran, Hezbollah expansion or international jihadis spilled over from Syria, Iraq, Egypt and Libya I just hope it doesn't kill innocent Jews to establish this.

1) The joining of Hamas to the PLO................. Don't make me laugh....

Newsflash..............The PLO isn't even joined with the PLO......:)

Brown Bomber

Manic Moran wrote: »

I'm not not entirely sure who you're referring to here as who in this analogy.

I am referring to you.

I am asking you how you would react and what reaction you would demand of your civic leaders if Danville was surrounded on all sides and placed under siege by ethno-supremacist terrorists. Would you stand by and expect your community leaders to do nothing; even if you were heavily outgunned as these terrorists rounding up hundreds of your neighbours and torturing them, bulldozing their homes, literally and slaughtering them from the air?

In other words would you rather die on you feet or live on your knees?

Manic Moran wrote: »

What broke the dam was the issue of the four killed youths..

Nobody deserves to die the way the did but they weren't completely innocent either seeing as they were illegal settlers living off stolen property in their Jews only colony.

That aside, it is apparent to me at least that this is/was a manufactured crisis cynically stage-managed by the right-wing, bloodthirsty lunatics the people of Israel thought fit to govern.. As Obama's original choice for Chief-of-Staff and son of an Irgun terrorist Rahm Emanuel said "never let a good crisis go to waste".

In the first place Shin Bet would/should have been made aware of this incident in virtual real time. The apparent killings of the Israelis were recorded in a phone call made to Israeli police. The scene of the crime could be established with mobile phone tracking.

Second, The PA informed the Israelis of the disappearance of the two suspects within 24 hours of the murders. Within 24 hours of this their homes were raided. I find it hard to believe the shallow graves took so long to find as the Israelis were buried on land belonging to one of the suspects family.

During this time the Israeli public were whipped up into an ultra-nationalistic frenzy by their ultra-nationalist state through racist rhetoric and an imposed a gag order on the media which prevented the details being released confirming the near certainty that the young Israeli men were already dead which would have helped the Israeli mob's bloodlust to subside.

IDF soliders were posting masked pictures of themselves promising genocide or "death to Arabs" in revenge.



While Israelis were kidnapping Arab children and burning them alive in racist attacks and the racial hatred was reaching a crescendo the head of state announces the death of the teenagers and promises more bloodshed and followed in the long line of Israeli leaders in making veiled racist slurs against the Palestinian people.

They were abducted and murdered in cold blood by human animals...Vengeance for the blood of a small child, Satan has not yet created

And it's not just the racist leaders of old he is mimicking. Bibi is also following in his own fathers footsteps.

Q: Operation Cast Lead was one of the worst beatings we ever handed on a civilian population.
A: That’s not enough. It’s possible that we should have hit harder.


Q: You don’t like the Arabs, to say the least.
A: The Bible finds no worse image than that of the man from the desert. And why? Because he has no respect for any law. Because in the desert he can do as he pleases. The tendency toward conflict is in the essence of the Arab. He is an enemy by essence. His personality won’t allow him any compromise or agreement. It doesn’t matter what kind of resistance he will meet, what price he will pay. His existence is one of perpetual war.

More of his disgusting views can found here: http://972mag.com/the-late-benzion-netanyahus-appalling-views-on-arabs/44215/

Including a mentality that perfectly describes the racist mob violence currently occuring in Israel,

On Arab citizens of Israel

I think we should speak to the Israeli Arabs in the language they understand and admire – the language of force. If we act with strength against any crime they commit, they will understand we show no forgiveness. Had we used this language from the start, they would have been more careful.

Donnielighto

Just on the israel thing. Since israel is backed by a strong US and I believe this is partly due to a strong zionist or at least jewish presence in the upper echelons of the US power structure would the arabs be any use trying to play the long game and trying to gain political traction there. It seems that while israel is backed by a superpower and the palestinians arent the curent course will be maintained. Nobody is backing the palestinians and that imbalance means that there is no real pressure on israel to come to the table as moderates (or at all)

DamagedTrax

Donnielighto wrote: »

Just on the israel thing. Since israel is backed by a strong US and I believe this is partly due to a strong zionist or at least jewish presence in the upper echelons of the US power structure would the arabs be any use trying to play the long game and trying to gain political traction there. It seems that while israel is backed by a superpower and the palestinians arent the curent course will be maintained. Nobody is backing the palestinians and that imbalance means that there is no real pressure on israel to come to the table as moderates (or at all)

the problem is that zionists have infiltrated and currently dominate all the areas of real power in the US.

tv & entertainment, financial, comms, defense and engineering (thru london bank ownership of halliburton), precious stones, medical, legal etc etc

the list goes on. to raise thru these industries to dominate them would take vast wealth and perseverance. even playing the long game sounds a lot easier than it is. zionists & power is something that stretches back to the early era of banking.

Rotunda Shill

Israel has already created its own Devil ... ISIS / ISIL

An Israeli KSA / USA funded spillover from Takfiri rebels in Syria. Their job is to crush all religions - annihilate Christianity - demonize Islam by associating it with head hacking terrorism. Barack Obama has been funding these terrorists and only recently requested $500 Million from Congress. They have been supplied with a Humvee Jeeps and Toyota Pick ups and an endless amount of arms supposedly captured from Iraq forces.

I Predict that this Satanic ISIS army of Israel will soon attack and destroy Al Asqa mosque on the Dome of the rock Jerusalem to make way for Satan's Temple... The 3rd Temple of Solomon..ISIS has already desecrated churches and Mosques in Iraq and Syria and have threatened Mecca.

BuilderPlumber

Rotunda Shill wrote: »

Israel has already created its own Devil ... ISIS / ISIL

An Israeli KSA / USA funded spillover from Takfiri rebels in Syria. Their job is to crush all religions - annihilate Christianity - demonize Islam by associating it with head hacking terrorism. Barack Obama has been funding these terrorists and only recently requested $500 Million from Congress. They have been supplied with a Humvee Jeeps and Toyota Pick ups and an endless amount of arms supposedly captured from Iraq forces.

I Predict that this Satanic ISIS army of Israel will soon attack and destroy Al Asqa mosque on the Dome of the rock Jerusalem to make way for Satan's Temple... The 3rd Temple of Solomon..ISIS has already desecrated churches and Mosques in Iraq and Syria and have threatened Mecca.

Yes, all very true. Modern militant 'Islam' has always been a Western creation directly or indirectly (through Western ally Saudi Arabia). Its purpose is to annihilate moderate religion (to demonise Islam for those who want to destroy it) and to stop potential superpowers from being formed. Also, it was used against Russia and others.

Things do not always go to plan. America funded the Taliban and al Qaeda terrorists who raped Afghanistan in the 1980s but thought these savages wouldn't mind if their funding was cut in the 1990s when Russia and America were on better relations. Hence 9/11 and all the rest.

The West moaned the fact how could these people hate us. The answer is from meddling in other countries, funding these guys and then dropping them when it suits.