Silage Prices.

Pacoa

Been trying to buy some silage near me but the fella was looking for 220 euro per acre for whats looking like a light enough crop to me so was just wondering what other fellas are paying and asking for around the country?

willfarmerman

Pacoa wrote: »

Been trying to buy some silage near me but the fella was looking for 220 euro per acre for whats looking like a light enough crop to me so was just wondering what other fellas are paying and asking for around the country?

Bid him 10€ a bale if you think it's light looking. Making 200 acre in north wex for good clean meadow.

farmernewbie

willfarmerman wrote: »

Bid him 10€ a bale if you think it's light looking. Making 200 acre in north wex for good clean meadow.

Hi willfarmerman, I have poor stuff and good reseeded stuff to sell. What would you think its worth? €10 for poor stuff and €12 fro good stuff?

Pacoa

Bid him 10€ a bale if you think it's light looking.

I offered 15 a bale but he wouldn't take it. He knows there'll only be about 10 bales per acre i recon in it so he only wants to sell by the acre.

willfarmerman

Pacoa wrote: »

I offered 15 a bale but he wouldn't take it. He knows there'll only be about 10 bales per acre i recon in it so he only wants to sell by the acre.

I think you were being generous. Put the mowing redding baling wraping and plastic and its another 10€. Which has you into 25 a bale.

willfarmerman

farmernewbie wrote: »

Hi willfarmerman, I have poor stuff and good reseeded stuff to sell. What would you think its worth? €10 for poor stuff and €12 fro good stuff?

That would sound fair to me.

pms7

willfarmerman wrote: »

That would sound fair to me.

Paid 250, have 2nd cut out in Aug. Fert myself. A heavy crop of good grass on it month ago

royalmeath

250 euro an acre is madness.

farmerjj

pms7 wrote: »

Paid 250, have 2nd cut out in Aug. Fert myself. A heavy crop of good grass on it month ago

Your getting ripped off I,m paying half that for good ground and 2cuts(with option of 3rd weather depending)

freedominacup

royalmeath wrote: »

250 euro an acre is madness.

I think most of what's being said here is madness. If you have to buy forage buy wholecrop by weight and quality. There are very few freshly reseeded fertile fields being let for silage. I was walking through a recently stopped silage field last week and couldn't figure out what was up. There was a constant rattle around my insteps and ankles from all the various weeds in the crop. If it was being let there'd be plenty of takers but it was more or less worthless imo.

99nsr125

farmerjj wrote: »

Your getting ripped off I,m paying half that for good ground and 2cuts(with option of 3rd weather depending)

The person letting the field at 250 is just accounting for costs properly and protecting themselves.

You could easily throw out a load of urea and cut up the field.

Two cuts is at least 5 bags of high P+K compound, thats 100 euro, a tonne of lime is 25, resseding costs from an oat/grass mix is 80 per acre per year over 5 years plus one year out of full action because of resseding is another 25 assuming some credit for oat silage.

That's 230 and still doesn't include spray, fence or gate damage, other micronutrients, insurance or compaction of other fields that are crossed.

As has been said before selling silage is not a farm enterprise.

willfarmerman

99nsr125 wrote: »

The person letting the field at 250 is just accounting for costs properly and protecting themselves.

You could easily throw out a load of urea and cut up the field.

Two cuts is at least 5 bags of high P+K compound, thats 100 euro, a tonne of lime is 25, resseding costs from an oat/grass mix is 80 per acre per year over 5 years plus one year out of full action because of resseding is another 25 assuming some credit for oat silage.

That's 230 and still doesn't include spray, fence or gate damage, other micronutrients, insurance or compaction of other fields that are crossed.

As has been said before selling silage is not a farm enterprise.

Whatever about what the landowner assumes his costs are, a wilted dense bale of silage of medium qaulity is only worth 22 or max 23€ a bale to me.. Ie. 100 kgs of molasses barley. Now baling mowing drawing plastic tedding costs me a minimum of 10€ a bale. That leaves me 12€ A bale for land rental and fertiliser. 110€ for 6 bags 24.2.5 or similar (370 tonne spread.) assume 20 descant bales per acre over 2cuts. € 15.50 a bale before rental. €22 a bale - €15.50= 6.50 a bale. Multiply by 20 bales is €130 an acre. That's all it would be worth to a poor little farmer like me anyway!

farmerjj

99nsr125 wrote: »

The person letting the field at 250 is just accounting for costs properly and protecting themselves.

You could easily throw out a load of urea and cut up the field.

Two cuts is at least 5 bags of high P+K compound, thats 100 euro, a tonne of lime is 25, resseding costs from an oat/grass mix is 80 per acre per year over 5 years plus one year out of full action because of resseding is another 25 assuming some credit for oat silage.

That's 230 and still doesn't include spray, fence or gate damage, other micronutrients, insurance or compaction of other fields that are crossed.

As has been said before selling silage is not a farm enterprise.

In my case he does not need fencing coz its only silage,spraying is done by me and he does all his reseeding in august or sept so it does not hugely affect the grass as in most years weather would not allow a 3rd cut,and the person who owns the land does not spread the fertiliser so that cost would not affect him.Cant see how a farmer could make much/any profit on renting ground for 250/ac (plus fertilizer slurry,and other smaller costs)

Follow the Plan

pms7 wrote: »

Paid 250, have 2nd cut out in Aug. Fert myself. A heavy crop of good grass on it month ago

You're get the first cut only for 250 ?

or

You're getting the first cut(which has been fertilized) and the 2nd cut(which you have to fert yourself) for 250?

Follow the Plan

Also I'm thinking of selling my 2nd cut of silage unfertilized this year. Should have my first cut all done before 15th June weather permitting. What stipulations should I have as the lessor? Basically what should I look out for as not to get taken for a ride. Thinking of offering it to a contractor or two as in fairness they can do all the mowing,spreading fert, bailing and wrapping for cheaper than anyone else.

keep going

An acre would yeild 2000 kilos dm maybe and at 220 plus 120 forcuttin comes in around 18 cent a kilo not allowing for plastic or waste.after that compare what you want it to do for you

99nsr125

willfarmerman wrote: »

Whatever about what the landowner assumes his costs are, a wilted dense bale of silage of medium qaulity is only worth 22 or max 23€ a bale to me.. Ie. 100 kgs of molasses barley. Now baling mowing drawing plastic tedding costs me a minimum of 10€ a bale. That leaves me 12€ A bale for land rental and fertiliser. 110€ for 6 bags 24.2.5 or similar (370 tonne spread.) assume 20 descant bales per acre over 2cuts. € 15.50 a bale before rental. €22 a bale - €15.50= 6.50 a bale. Multiply by 20 bales is €130 an acre. That's all it would be worth to a poor little farmer like me anyway!

Of course you're right in regard the max price we should pay per acre as you're benchmarking against rolled barley.

I was just trying to show the costs a lettor could incur and should price for. Proven tenants will always get a better price as they can be trusted to not cut up the ground otherwise take the piss.

99nsr125

keep going wrote: »

An acre would yeild 2000 kilos dm maybe and at 220 plus 120 forcuttin comes in around 18 cent a kilo not allowing for plastic or waste.after that compare what you want it to do for you

That's it in a nutshell cent/ufl that it takes to get to the shed.

Pacoa

Was offered 1st cut today for 250 an acre :rolleyes:

farmerjj

Pacoa wrote: »

Was offered 1st cut today for 250 an acre :rolleyes:

250??? does he have some extra special grass, what a rip off

C4d78

farmerjj wrote: »

250??? does he have some extra special grass, what a rip off

I've heard worse this year. 300/acre for 1st cut seems common enough

mahoney_j

farmerjj wrote: »

250??? does he have some extra special grass, what a rip off

Unfourtnately if there's demand it's making that and a lot more.heard of parcels going for clues to 190 with no manure.say 120 manure ,that brings u to 310 and another 100 plus to pit it.then because he's pAying so much he'll want a dog heavy crop to fill the pit,quality will be crap and it'll have to be supplemented with high p ration.niw tis very expensive!!

Pacoa

Was reseeded 2 years ago and is a heavy crop, maybe 15 bales to the acre so 15x15 is 225 so nearly there. What are fellas paying for first cut bales this year? Is 25 euro per bale still the going rate? Also will straw be cheap this year because there will be less bull beef? Ration might be cheaper to as wheat prices have fallen world wide recently so that should really be bringing down the price of silage should it not?

C4d78

How are pit silage prices going for second cut? Say fertilised ground and fairly good quality grasses. Is it making/ worth 200 an acre growing?
Had a guy looking to buy 6 to 7 acres from me. Told him I'd think about it. So what should I be looking for if I decide to go ahead. This field would have been cut mid May so good crop already

Pacoa

At 10 bales per acre and 15 euro per bale that's 150 euro per acre so that could be your starting point.

Farmer Pudsey

I think the prices some lads pay for meadow ground is crazy. Especially as alot of these meadows are old pasture and may have heavy weed infestation. I know that some lads may not have land suitable for growing there own, but longterm it would be cheaper to reseed you own land. 10 acre with a good crop of Italian or hybrid will yield 20bales/acre+ of top quality fodder ( and that is highish DM silage 30DM+(

I would not be paying 250/acre for single cut silage ground, you will get very good hay for 23-25/bale. If it was a 10 acre field and you were paying 2.5K and allowing another 1500 to bale and wrap that is 4K. That is 80 bales of hay and 8 ton of ration. I know which I would buy.

Some of the silage saved from old meadows is 20% weed at least it is shriveled up in hay.

sheebadog

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

I think the prices some lads pay for meadow ground is crazy. Especially as alot of these meadows are old pasture and may have heavy weed infestation. I know that some lads may not have land suitable for growing there own, but longterm it would be cheaper to reseed you own land. 10 acre with a good crop of Italian or hybrid will yield 20bales/acre+ of top quality fodder ( and that is highish DM silage 30DM+(

I would not be paying 250/acre for single cut silage ground, you will get very good hay for 23-25/bale. If it was a 10 acre field and you were paying 2.5K and allowing another 1500 to bale and wrap that is 4K. That is 80 bales of hay and 8 ton of ration. I know which I would buy.

Some of the silage saved from old meadows is 20% weed at least it is shriveled up in hay.

Ah but Pudsey some of those weeds may be full of vitamins and minerals!:)

Farmer Pudsey

sheebadog wrote: »

Ah but Pudsey some of those weeds may be full of vitamins and minerals!:)

I can but a beef mineral for 12euro/25kg bag. About 1 bag/70 bales. it abit cheaper than 20 bales of weds and 70 bales of silage:D

sheebadog

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

I can but a beef mineral for 12euro/25kg bag. About 1 bag/70 bales. it abit cheaper than 20 bales of weds and 70 bales of silage:D

In fairness Pudsey you are trying hard to educate a very uneducated bunch!:)

Reggie.

sheebadog wrote: »

In fairness Pudsey you are trying hard to educate a very uneducated bunch!:)

cheers....I think :rolleyes: