Petrol vs diesel

Msrob

My other half has a 1.4 petrol octavia used for mainly secondary road/country road driving thinking about changing to supurb or something along those lines which wud u recommend petrol or diesel?

Atlantic Dawn

They buying new or used? If used what is the budget and what is their annual mileage?

MuppetCheck

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

They buying new or used? If used what is the budget and what is their annual mileage?

Also how long will they be keeping it? If chucking it in before a warranty runs out then a diesel can work...

Msrob

No it'll b a used car possibly budget €3000 jus a run around really

Msrob

Mileage averages €10000 per yr

The_Honeybadger

At that mileage and budget it's got to be petrol. Any diesel for 3k will have been to the moon and back at this stage and she'd be taking a big chance. Some nice petrols can be got at that money these days, Mazda 6 might be a good buy. You'd get a 05-06 for 3k if you bargain and they're a reliable motor. Also consider an avensis

Msrob

What size engine wud b best 1.6?

Bart Mars

Msrob wrote: »

My other half has a 1.4 petrol octavia used for mainly secondary road/country road driving thinking about changing to supurb or something along those lines which wud u recommend petrol or diesel?

New diesels are muck. Loads of tech problems

sean1141

Bart Mars wrote: »

New diesels are muck. Loads of tech problems

A 3000 euro diesel will be 10 years old and if the op is looking at a superb it will be the 1.9 tdi lump which is very reliable

tossy

Bart Mars wrote: »

New diesels are muck. Loads of tech problems

Do you want a brush to help you with that sweeping statement ?

Seamus1964

Msrob wrote: »

What size engine wud b best 1.6?

Toyota Avensis year 2004 - up

Never problems

Bart Mars

sean1141 wrote: »

A 3000 euro diesel will be 10 years old and if the op is looking at a superb it will be the 1.9 tdi lump which is very reliable

Yeah didnt see that clarification. I do stand over my statement

JC01

sean1141 wrote: »

A 3000 euro diesel will be 10 years old and if the op is looking at a superb it will be the 1.9 tdi lump which is very reliable

Not with 150k+ miles there not.

OP in that situation petrol is definatly the way to go far less to go wrong and 10k miles doesn't begin to justify the running of a diesel. There are some great bargains to be had at that kinda budget in petrols because of how diesel-mad this country's gone

sean1141

JC01 wrote: »

Not with 150k+ miles there not.

I'm on my second 1.9 tdi with over 150k on it and neither have given any trouble. Not saying they can't have problems but 150k is nothing on a 1.9 tdi. I know a few guys with VW caddys with 300k plus on them and they never had any major issues

Sobanek

JC01 wrote: »

Not with 150k+ miles there not.

OP in that situation petrol is definatly the way to go far less to go wrong and 10k miles doesn't begin to justify the running of a diesel. There are some great bargains to be had at that kinda budget in petrols because of how diesel-mad this country's gone

I love how people hear stuff at the pub and suddenly become experts.

1.9 TDIs, once properly serviced can easily do 600k miles. It's not uncommon to see them do that much.

Old diesel

Quite a few B5 and B5.5 Passats have done mileages WELL in excess of 150,000 miles

Personally on A WELL maintened example that's not been abused 150,000 miles I think on one of those - should be just about run in.

Reliability issues can happen any car.

Mazda 6 PETROLS (avoid diesels - they are quite poor imo) should be okay if you can find one without rust.

Avensis is probably the way to go if you want a diesel

JC01

Sobanek wrote: »

I love how people hear stuff at the pub and suddenly become experts.

1.9 TDIs, once properly serviced can easily do 600k miles. It's not uncommon to see them do that much.

I didn't become an expert in the pub buddy, the 4 years serving my time gave me a good understanding though.

Yes some of them have done massive miles but in general the poorly maintained, poorly fuelled VAG diesels that we are surrounded by in this country are ticking time bombs at any sort of decent mileage. I love them though they've payed for a couple of my own cars at this stage

Underpaid Mike

http://www.carscoops.com/2014/02/500000-mile-first-gen-skoda-octavia.html

Octavias are about as reliable as cars get.
A wood fired stoved if maintained by an oaf will be unreliable JC01, whats your point? Any car if not maintained to some level will be unreliable. Some cars if maintained to the highest level are also unreliable, Octavias certainly do not fall into this category.

tossy

JC01 wrote: »

in general the poorly maintained, poorly fuelled insert any make of car here that we are surrounded by in this country are ticking time bombs

fixed that for you .

JC01

Underpaid Mike wrote: »

Octavias are about as reliable as cars get.
A wood fired stoved if maintained by an oaf will be unreliable JC01, whats your point? Any car if not maintained to some level will be unreliable. Some cars if maintained to the highest level are also unreliable, Octavias certainly do not fall into this category.

Bar the bxe engined ones which even VW admit had problems with the assembly of the big end bearings?

And my point is it would make absolutely no sense for the OP to go out and buy a diesel in his circumstances. I mentioned reliability issues because a lot of people think a 1.9tdi Audi/VW/Skoda is the best car in the world until they have to put a turbo/injectors/EGR valve /DMF into it within weeks of buying it as happens up and down the country day in day out.

Everything iv written in this thread has been in the context of giving the OP advice he asked for. For some reason anytime anybody mentions anything negative about VAG cars on here it seems to start a war? I was immediately accused of being a "pub-stool expert" because of my comments yet it's largely the pub talk mentality that is the reason a large chunk of people swear by diesel despite not having the first notion of the difference ina petrol and Diesel engine bar the colour of the pump at the garage

Old diesel

JC01 wrote: »

Bar the bxe engined ones which even VW admit had problems with the assembly of the big end bearings?

And my point is it would make absolutely no sense for the OP to go out and buy a diesel in his circumstances. I mentioned reliability issues because a lot of people think a 1.9tdi Audi/VW/Skoda is the best car in the world until they have to put a turbo/injectors/EGR valve /DMF into it within weeks of buying it as happens up and down the country day in day out.

Everything iv written in this thread has been in the context of giving the OP advice he asked for. For some reason anytime anybody mentions anything negative about VAG cars on here it seems to start a war? I was immediately accused of being a "pub-stool expert" because of my comments yet it's largely the pub talk mentality that is the reason a large chunk of people swear by diesel despite not having the first notion of the difference ina petrol and Diesel engine bar the colour of the pump at the garage

When were the BXE engine cars made - am I right in thinking they were later 105 ps PD 1.9s - or am I completely wrong????

tossy

JC01 wrote: »

Bar the bxe engined ones which even VW admit had problems with the assembly of the big end bearings?

And my point is it would make absolutely no sense for the OP to go out and buy a diesel in his circumstances. I mentioned reliability issues because a lot of people think a 1.9tdi Audi/VW/Skoda is the best car in the world until they have to put a turbo/injectors/EGR valve /DMF into it within weeks of buying it as happens up and down the country day in day out.

Everything iv written in this thread has been in the context of giving the OP advice he asked for. For some reason anytime anybody mentions anything negative about VAG cars on here it seems to start a war? I was immediately accused of being a "pub-stool expert" because of my comments yet it's largely the pub talk mentality that is the reason a large chunk of people swear by diesel despite not having the first notion of the difference ina petrol and Diesel engine bar the colour of the pump at the garage

All good and valid points, you cant however say all VAG diesels are crap and then when challenged on it say well the are crap if poorly maintained, of course the are. All engines are crap if poorly maintained after a certain amount of mileage! That's pub stool debating techniques

Bpmull

JC01 wrote: »

Bar the bxe engined ones which even VW admit had problems with the assembly of the big end bearings?

From what I can see it was a dodgy batch of them bxe engine are causing the trouble with the conrods breaking. I don't think every bxe has the problem. I think the problem is being over played a bit in general it's not like there is a que of 1.9tdi vws outside of every garage with broken conrods. I'd say were talking <<<<<<<1% failure rate. I could be well wrong. Either way I won't be running out to change my bxe engined golf over it. Sh!t happens no such thing as an engine which has no known faults.

Just in the ops case obviously get a petrol considering budget, annual mileage and type of driving it wouldn't make sense to get a diesel.

Old diesel

Bpmull wrote: »

From what I can see it was a dodgy batch of them bxe engine are causing the trouble with the conrods breaking. I don't think every bxe has the problem. I think the problem is being over played a bit in general it's not like there is a que of 1.9tdi vws outside of every garage with broken conrods. I'd say were talking <<<<<<<1% failure rate. I could be well wrong. Either way I won't be running out to change my bxe engined golf over it. Sh!t happens no such thing as an engine which has no known faults.

Just in the ops case obviously get a petrol considering budget, annual mileage and type of driving it wouldn't make sense to get a diesel.

Had heard about BXE failures alright - but my interpretation of the issue was similar to BPs thinking above.

Msrob

Thanks for all your replies I think we will hold off and try save for a better budget as the skoda we have now is 02 with 124000 on the clock it's a great car, have had to do very little to it bar timing belt and usual services thanks again il be back wen we have more money 😃

Bpmull

Msrob wrote: »

Thanks for all your replies I think we will hold off and try save for a better budget as the skoda we have now is 02 with 124000 on the clock it's a great car, have had to do very little to it bar timing belt and usual services thanks again il be back wen we have more money 😃

What your doing there makes sense. Keep the car and when it starts giving big trouble you can get something newer in the mean time you can be saving for the new car. Tbh with a small budget of 3k you could have easily bought a car that would cause you a lot of trouble. Keep what you have while it's reliable is always the best thing to do. If you want to change it that's a different thing. But it's almost always cheaper to keep what you have while it's reliable anyway.

Fiskar

No contest, get yourself a nice 1.2 litre 3 cylinder petrol, 55 to 60 MPG and forget about the worries of bad diesel, the dreaded DPF, the expensive DMF, the tempermental EGR valve and for those of us with 1.6 litre PSA diesels the Eloys fluid top up with mandatory engine reset.

In saying that, my diesel 1.6 litre has 109,900 km and no issues yet. But I am aware, very aware of whats around the corner :cool:

Bpmull

Fiskar wrote: »

No contest, get yourself a nice 1.2 litre 3 cylinder petrol

And drive around In something that sounds like a lawnmower fcuk that. Actually in fact said lawnmower would be more powerful than the 1.2. What they 50bhp I wouldn't wish one on my worst enemy. I'm all for petrol cars but not underpowered ones. I think the op is making the right choice by holding off.

The_Honeybadger

Bpmull wrote: »

What your doing there makes sense. Keep the car and when it starts giving big trouble you can get something newer in the mean time you can be saving for the new car. Tbh with a small budget of 3k you could have easily bought a car that would cause you a lot of trouble. Keep what you have while it's reliable is always the best thing to do. If you want to change it that's a different thing. But it's almost always cheaper to keep what you have while it's reliable anyway.

Agree wholeheartedly with this. OP youd be letting a reliable motor go and taking on something that may give lots of trouble. Added to this is the fact that while your skoda is a good car it is virtually worthless, no garage will want it and it'll be hard to get its true value if you sell it privately as nobody wants petrol cars any more. I'm in a similar situation. I have a 06 petrol with 120k miles on the clock and would love a change but I know I'd be wasting money while my current car is going well. Best thing you could do op is run the skoda into the ground and then pick up a nice petrol motor for a peanuts and not have to worry too much about what you'll get for your own car.

Fiskar

Bpmull wrote: »

And drive around In something that sounds like a lawnmower fcuk that. Actually in fact said lawnmower would be more powerful than the 1.2. What they 50bhp I wouldn't wish one on my worst enemy. I'm all for petrol cars but not underpowered ones. I think the op is making the right choice by holding off.

110 Bhp and 130 Bhp. No contest and certainly not 50 Bhp. Times have moved on.

http://www.psa-peugeot-citroen.com/en/automotive-innovation/clean-car/petrol-engine-new-generation

Bpmull

Fiskar wrote: »

110 Bhp and 130 Bhp. No contest and certainly not 50 Bhp. Times have moved on.

http://www.psa-peugeot-citroen.com/en/automotive-innovation/clean-car/petrol-engine-new-generation

And where is the op going to get one of them for 3k. I was talking about the 1.2 3 cylinder you would buy for 3k which would be 50bhp. I know what new petrols are capable of but no point in talking about them with the ops budget as it wouldn't be on topic.