Does any tasty seized vehicles come up for auction in Ireland ?

keithclancy

Was having a look through the Dutch seized vehicles auction and saw some Interesting ones.

https://www.domeinenrz.nl/domeinenrz_nl/0b45d282e3fc1da4c302a872fa747719.php?veilingen=2014-05&search=&images=1&pamount=50&show=Toon&kfrom=51&meerfotos=2414&kterug=2414

Also this one:
https://www.domeinenrz.nl/domeinenrz_nl/0b45d282e3fc1da4c302a872fa747719.php?veilingen=2014-05&kfrom=1&search=FORD&images=&pamount=25&show=Toon&meerfotos=2601&kterug=2601

Must be painful to see the cops sticking it on the back of a loader :eek:

ironclaw

Very nice collection there. Don't think I'd drive one though. A friend of mine was valeting a few before the auction. They had been taken from some rather unsavoury underworld characters by CAB I believe. Needless to say even with reg changes etc, they still managed to find where they had been taken to be serviced and then to my mates to be valeted. Life is too short for some bargains!

christy02

ironclaw wrote: »

Very nice collection there. Don't think I'd drive one though. A friend of mine was valeting a few before the auction. They had been taken from some rather unsavoury underworld characters by CAB I believe. Needless to say even with reg changes etc, they still managed to find where they had been taken to be serviced and then to my mates to be valeted. Life is too short for some bargains!

Yeah Ireland is too small for that. Would always be sleeping with one eye open in case the "rightful owner" came looking for his car back.

HandsomeDan

CAB are so awesome.

They should set fire to them in front of the owner... or better still with the owner inside.

djimi

Yeah I dont think Id be in any hurry to buy anything that had been seized by the CAB, regardless of price!

quadrifoglio verde

With regards to seized vehicles that are seized for non payment of motor tax, they get crushed!
Why they don't get put up for auction, I don't know.
Some very impressive cars have been crushed over the years because of this

ironclaw

OSI wrote: »

I'd say most of the stuff they seize is either X5s or ONYX'd Range Rovers.

A good few of the X5s ended up with ERU in Limerick I believe as they were already armoured. Impressive cars. Although I'd loved to be stopped by a ONYX Bentley or something :P

christy02

quadrifoglio verde wrote: »

With regards to seized vehicles that are seized for non payment of motor tax, they get crushed!
Why they don't get put up for auction, I don't know.
Some very impressive cars have been crushed over the years because of this

They hardly get crushed because someone didn't pay a few hundred in motor tax? That costs money. Better put it back on the road and get the motor tax. Get the arrears from sale price.

dr.fuzzenstein

christy02 wrote: »

They hardly get crushed because someone didn't pay a few hundred in motor tax? That costs money. Better put it back on the road and get the motor tax. Get the arrears from sale price.

Ah, but that would make sense.
I'm sure the beancounters will put a stop to that, also Irish rules dictate that giving the public something cool, unusual and at a good price is an absolute no no.
We would rather pay money to throw something away so no one else can have it.

quadrifoglio verde

christy02 wrote: »

They hardly get crushed because someone didn't pay a few hundred in motor tax? That costs money. Better put it back on the road and get the motor tax. Get the arrears from sale price.

If the car is impounded for no tax and the arrears aren't paid, it gets crushed
Instead of that they should be auctioned off to the highest bidder, to whom a new log book is issued with a unique code present. So that the gardai can check if problems arise with the previous owner claiming their car was stolen.

christy02

quadrifoglio verde wrote: »

If the car is impounded for no tax and the arrears aren't paid, it gets crushed
Instead of that they should be auctioned off to the highest bidder, to whom a new log book is issued with a unique code present. So that the gardai can check if problems arise with the previous owner claiming their car was stolen.

But that would make sense?

Much rather charge us the taxpayer to scrap a perfectly good car.

dr.fuzzenstein

christy02 wrote: »

But that would make sense?

Much rather charge us the taxpayer to scrap a perfectly good car.

The belief in Ireland is that anything used or not brand-new and straight from the packaging is automatically rubbish and will have to be destroyed.
WEEE is also a perfect example.
If I buy a new TV, I could give old Mary down the road my old one.
This used to be the case years ago.
Now I am afraid that if I give her my TV and she gets an electric shock off it (million to one), she could sue me. Thank you, compo culture and solicitor vultures.
If Mary still wants the telly or not, doesn't make a difference. I won't give it to anyone, because there is a very, very tiny chance I might get sued.
So now the shop will take the old set "out of the goodness of their heart" and kindly scrap it and old Mary will have to drop in and buy a brand new 42 inch LED Smart TV.
And if she can't afford it, tough.

dgt

christy02 wrote: »

They hardly get crushed because someone didn't pay a few hundred in motor tax? That costs money. Better put it back on the road and get the motor tax. Get the arrears from sale price.

The father used to work as a recovery driver for a scrapyard and one day he picked up a Mercedes from a Garda seized vehicle compound in Dublin. He said there were the best of cars there and was told they were all to be crushed in due time. He was bringing it away to be dismantled and destroyed (the yard had bought it in as they can issue CoD's)

That was circa 2001 btw

Fred Swanson

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HandsomeDan

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

The belief in Ireland is that anything used or not brand-new and straight from the packaging is automatically rubbish and will have to be destroyed.
WEEE is also a perfect example.
If I buy a new TV, I could give old Mary down the road my old one.
This used to be the case years ago.
Now I am afraid that if I give her my TV and she gets an electric shock off it (million to one), she could sue me. Thank you, compo culture and solicitor vultures.
If Mary still wants the telly or not, doesn't make a difference. I won't give it to anyone, because there is a very, very tiny chance I might get sued.
So now the shop will take the old set "out of the goodness of their heart" and kindly scrap it and old Mary will have to drop in and buy a brand new 42 inch LED Smart TV.
And if she can't afford it, tough.

Before WEEE an old TV was more likely to end up dumped in a ditch. Under WEEE, it gets recycled.

As for instances of people being sued after passing on old electronics, care to provide some stats on that?

I think you need to lay off the jimcorr.com

quadrifoglio verde

HandsomeDan wrote: »

Before WEEE an old TV was more likely to end up dumped in a ditch. Under WEEE, it gets recycled.

As for instances of people being sued after passing on old electronics, care to provide some stats on that?

I think you need to lay off the jimcorr.com

We'd have always passed it on to a neighbour or friend who wanted one.
It's a risk of getting used that prevents people from doing it.
I was talking to a woman who runs a charity shop a while ago (family friend). She was telling me that anything electrical, whether it's new or used isn't sold out of fear that they'll get sued.

dr.fuzzenstein

HandsomeDan wrote: »

Before WEEE an old TV was more likely to end up dumped in a ditch. Under WEEE, it gets recycled.

As for instances of people being sued after passing on old electronics, care to provide some stats on that?

I think you need to lay off the jimcorr.com

There aren't any, that's the point.
Most charity shops won't carry any electrical goods, citing non-existent legal and non-applicable health and safety concerns, case in point. Others manage just fine for some strange reason...
The whole idea of WEEE is to make sure electronic and electrical devices aren't passed on, so that your neighbour/friend/relative doesn't get the benefit of a TV, fridge, microwave, stereo, phone, etc..., but has to go and buy himself a new one.
Yes, old TV's used to end up in a ditch, but that was before recycling facilities opened and then people could bring them there and at no cost.
WEEE came in later.

For those of us who want to pass on 2nd hand goods:
www.freecycle.org FTW.

keithclancy

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

There aren't any, that's the point.
Most charity shops won't carry any electrical goods, citing non-existent legal and non-applicable health and safety concerns, case in point. Others manage just fine for some strange reason...
The whole idea of WEEE is to make sure electronic and electrical devices aren't passed on, so that your neighbour/friend/relative doesn't get the benefit of a TV, fridge, microwave, stereo, phone, etc..., but has to go and buy himself a new one.
Yes, old TV's used to end up in a ditch, but that was before recycling facilities opened and then people could bring them there and at no cost.
WEEE came in later.

For those of us who want to pass on 2nd hand goods:
www.freecycle.org FTW.

Something that annoys me about Ireland is that your own risk does not really mean at your own risk at all.

People have sued for stupider things in Ireland

dr.fuzzenstein

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

There aren't any, that's the point.
Most charity shops won't carry any electrical goods, citing non-existent legal and non-applicable health and safety concerns, case in point. Others manage just fine for some strange reason...
The whole idea of WEEE is to make sure electronic and electrical devices aren't passed on, so that your neighbour/friend/relative doesn't get the benefit of a TV, fridge, microwave, stereo, phone, etc..., but has to go and buy himself a new one.
Yes, old TV's used to end up in a ditch, but that was before recycling facilities opened and then people could bring them there and at no cost.
WEEE came in later.

For those of us who want to pass on 2nd hand goods:
www.freecycle.org FTW.

Hold on, so bringing them to a recycle centre instead of a ditch is good but having the guy delivering the new one and taking the old away for recycling is bad? And what does the paranoia of getting sued have to do with WEEE?

djimi

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

The whole idea of WEEE is to make sure electronic and electrical devices aren't passed on, so that your neighbour/friend/relative doesn't get the benefit of a TV, fridge, microwave, stereo, phone, etc..., but has to go and buy himself a new one.

Take off the tin foil hat ffs

The point of WEEE is to ensure that electical items that can be recycled dont end up dumped in some landfill somewhere, and from that end if makes absolute sense.

dr.fuzzenstein

Deleted User wrote: »

Hold on, so bringing them to a recycle centre instead of a ditch is good but having the guy delivering the new one and taking the old away for recycling is bad? And what does the paranoia of getting sued have to do with WEEE?

It's more the entire attitude to anything 2nd hand.
It's a mixture between the belief that anything pre-owned is automatically rubbish, (baseless) fear of the owner of being possibly liable if anything happens when something used is being passed on to someone else, the WEEE directive that means the old one is taken away there and then, the entire aversion of the Irish against anything that's not new and out of the box, if something has been owned by someone previously, it's almost viewed as dirty and associated with poverty.
This is due to decades and even centuries of poverty, if you can't afford new, you are somehow inadequate, maybe viewed as poor by the neighbours, hence the obsession with reg numbers over the quality of car, i.e. a 141 Micra is better than a 00 BMW.
The difference between, for example, Germany and Ireland is huge.
Fleamarkets are massive over there, people love to go and pick up a bargain. You can pick up great stuff there.
Here they are viewed as dirty and something only poor people do.
Attitudes are changing, but a certain generation, who has seen really bad times, would rather have nothing at all than anything second hand.
I speak from experience.

HandsomeDan

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

It's more the entire attitude to anything 2nd hand.
It's a mixture between the belief that anything pre-owned is automatically rubbish, (baseless) fear of the owner of being possibly liable if anything happens when something used is being passed on to someone else, the WEEE directive that means the old one is taken away there and then, the entire aversion of the Irish against anything that's not new and out of the box, if something has been owned by someone previously, it's almost viewed as dirty and associated with poverty.
This is due to decades and even centuries of poverty, if you can't afford new, you are somehow inadequate, maybe viewed as poor by the neighbours, hence the obsession with reg numbers over the quality of car, i.e. a 141 Micra is better than a 00 BMW.
The difference between, for example, Germany and Ireland is huge.
Fleamarkets are massive over there, people love to go and pick up a bargain. You can pick up great stuff there.
Here they are viewed as dirty and something only poor people do.
Attitudes are changing, but a certain generation, who has seen really bad times, would rather have nothing at all than anything second hand.
I speak from experience.

Really, so why do the UK have a preoccupation with new cars - centuries of poverty?

Also, if we're so averse to second hand, then why is donedeal.ie the 9th most populular site in Ireland, and the #1 most popular Irish site.

BTW in 2013 average age of a car in Germany was 8YO, the average age in Ireland was also 8YO

Axel Lamp

HandsomeDan wrote: »

I think you need to lay off the jimcorr.com

superb line

keithclancy

HandsomeDan wrote: »

Really, so why do the UK have a preoccupation with new cars - centuries of poverty?

Also, if we're so averse to second hand, then why is donedeal.ie the 9th most populular site in Ireland, and the #1 most popular Irish site in Ireland

BTW in 2013 average age of a car in Germany was 8YO, the average age in Ireland was also 8YO

It's blindingly obvious.

You can pickup second hand stuff in the UK/Ireland for peanuts.

HandsomeDan

keithclancy wrote: »

It's blindingly obvious.

You can pickup second hand stuff in the UK/Ireland for peanuts.

It was a rhetorical question

dr.fuzzenstein

HandsomeDan wrote: »

Really, so why do the UK have a preoccupation with new cars - centuries of poverty?

Also, if we're so averse to second hand, then why is donedeal.ie the 9th most populular site in Ireland, and the #1 most popular Irish site.

BTW in 2013 average age of a car in Germany was 8YO, the average age in Ireland was also 8YO

Yes, attitudes are changing, sites like Done Deal and Ebay have helped a lot.

I wouldn't say the UK have an obsession with new cars, it's more the Irish who say "the reg ran out, better get a new car". This is no longer happening to the same extend, for obvious reasons.
In the UK people are asking "Can I use my 1979 Triumph as a daily runner" Just look at the UK classic car scene as opposed to here.
The attitude here is that a 10 year old car is a heap of crap and only fit for the scrap. Better get that new Toyota.
In other countries cars are supposed to last 15 years or more.
But that is also an attitude towards servicing, i.e. "not worth putting a clutch into a 10 year old heap of junk"
Elsewhere it would be "well, I'm not buying new, I know my car and instead of buying another 10 year old with more problems, fix the car I have"
If a 10 year old car would be replaced with another 10 year old car, it is pointless to think of a potential repair bill in relation to the value to a certain extend. Within certain limits, of course.
I'd say the spread of the age of cars is different between Ireland and Germany, Germany a lot of 10+ year old runabouts and also a lot of brand new executive prestige Saloons and Ireland an ageing uniform mass of hatches and mammy wagons of the 1.4 petrol and 1.9 diesel persuasion.

HandsomeDan

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

Yes, attitudes are changing, sites like Done Deal and Ebay have helped a lot.

I wouldn't say the UK have an obsession with new cars, it's more the Irish who say "the reg ran out, better get a new car". This is no longer happening to the same extend, for obvious reasons.
In the UK people are asking "Can I use my 1979 Triumph as a daily runner" Just look at the UK classic car scene as opposed to here.
The attitude here is that a 10 year old car is a heap of crap and only fit for the scrap. Better get that new Toyota.
In other countries cars are supposed to last 15 years or more.
But that is also an attitude towards servicing, i.e. "not worth putting a clutch into a 10 year old heap of junk"
I'd say the spread of the age of cars is different between Ireland and Germany, Germany a lot of 10+ year old runabouts and also a lot of brand new executive prestige Saloons and Ireland an ageing uniform mass of hatches and mammy wagons of the 1.4 petrol and 1.9 diesel persuasion.

Plenty of 1.4i an 1.9 diesels in the Fatherland also - if anything their cars are more basic spec wise than ours.

I guess it makes sense that cars in Germany are quite new as a) the stuff is made there so lots of new stuff is use by the manufactures/workers/dealers and b) older vehicles are exported to Eastern Europe and good money is paid for them in D-land.

I reckon the good Doktor is spot on on his analysis on why the fleet in Ireland is so young and boring.

dr.fuzzenstein

HandsomeDan wrote: »

Plenty of 1.4i an 1.9 diesels in the Fatherland also - if anything their cars are more basic spec wise than ours.

Which us probably why our German partners are always laughing at the spec of rental cars here, I.e. no cruise control, climate control, lack of sat nav, keep fit windows, etc...