Citizenship question.

fontdor

OK Hello everyone. I know a friend of mine who wants to get Irish Citizenship. He has no passport unfortunately or birth certificate because the country he's from the authorities took it from him so he would turn himself in (Political person long story).

Anyways now he wants to get an Irish citizenship. He read on the application form that

In certain limited circumstances an affidavit may be accepted in lieu of a Birth Certificate, where the certificate is not available and
cannot be obtained. Please note that this is only accepted in exceptional circumstances. If you are not in possession of or have lost your
birth certificate, an affidavit will NOT be accepted. You must obtain it from the relevant authorities before applying.

Does the lieu of the birth certificate have to have a photo on it and stating that his government is not giving him a birth certificate? Or does it just have to be in writing?

Pro Hoc Vice

fontdor wrote: »

OK Hello everyone. I know a friend of mine who wants to get Irish Citizenship. He has no passport unfortunately or birth certificate because the country he's from the authorities took it from him so he would turn himself in (Political person long story).

Anyways now he wants to get an Irish citizenship. He read on the application form that

Does the lieu of the birth certificate have to have a photo on it and stating that his government is not giving him a birth certificate? Or does it just have to be in writing?

An affidavit is in writing and can be drafted by a lay person but is best drafted by professional. How long is your friend in ireland and what is his legal status.

fontdor

Pro Hoc Vice wrote: »

An affidavit is in writing and can be drafted by a lay person but is best drafted by professional. How long is your friend in ireland and what is his legal status.

He has been in Ireland since 2001. He got his permission of leave to remain in 2009 but couldn't register until 2011 for his GNIB card. His permission leave to remain has been renewed again this year. BTW what exactly do you mean by a lay person?

huskerdu

fontdor wrote: »

BTW what exactly do you mean by a lay person?

A lay person is a non-professional or non-qualified person. In this case, the poster means a non-lawyer.

fontdor

huskerdu wrote: »

A lay person is a non-professional or non-qualified person. In this case, the poster means a non-lawyer.

so can it be himself? When posting the citizenship application will he put the documents stating he is not eligible to be given a birth certificate from his authorities?

Pro Hoc Vice

fontdor wrote: »

so can it be himself? When posting the citizenship application will he put the documents stating he is not eligible to be given a birth certificate from his authorities?

If he has no idea how to write an affidavit he would be advised to get a professional to do so. NASC may be able to help. I would advice as there are complications in his application to use the services of a professional.

fontdor

Pro Hoc Vice wrote: »

If he has no idea how to write an affidavit he would be advised to get a professional to do so. NASC may be able to help. I would advice as there are complications in his application to use the services of a professional.

But he does have a letter from his countries authoroty saying they won't give him a birth certificate until he turns hismself in.

Pro Hoc Vice

fontdor wrote: »

But he does have a letter from his countries authoroty saying they won't give him a birth certificate until he turns hismself in.

An affidavit is a specific legal document that must be written correctly and exhibit all relevant documents, it must be sworn correctly and signed by the person with knowledge of the facts been sworn to. The application process requires an affidavit because an affidavit is the same as giving evidence in court and it is an offence to lie in an affidavit. So when a person has no way of producing a document he must swear on oath or affirmation all the facts relating to the steps taken to get the required documents. It may require an affidavit from the person himself, his solicitor or other persons who are assisting.

Your friend is asking the Irish State to grant him naturalisation and thereafter a passport this country must be satisfied to the best of its ability that he is who he claims to be. Therefore they require an affidavit a letter from the other country is not an affidavit but it may very well be an exhibit to an affidavit.

fontdor

Pro Hoc Vice wrote: »

An affidavit is a specific legal document that must be written correctly and exhibit all relevant documents, it must be sworn correctly and signed by the person with knowledge of the facts been sworn to. The application process requires an affidavit because an affidavit is the same as giving evidence in court and it is an offence to lie in an affidavit. So when a person has no way of producing a document he must swear on oath or affirmation all the facts relating to the steps taken to get the required documents. It may require an affidavit from the person himself, his solicitor or other persons who are assisting.

Your friend is asking the Irish State to grant him naturalisation and thereafter a passport this country must be satisfied to the best of its ability that he is who he claims to be. Therefore they require an affidavit a letter from the other country is not an affidavit but it may very well be an exhibit to an affidavit.

Thank you very much for the great information much appreciated. Thanks to everyone else who also answered this question.