Compulsory Carbon Monoxide Alarms!

Hitchens

From Sept 1st 2014

Big Phil, the Head Nanny strikes again

http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/carbon-monoxide-alarms-to-become-compulsory-629620.html

tobsey

That's the first piece of common sense from him.

osarusan

How dare that nanny-state bastard try and prevent my accidental death!

I'll show him, the nanny-state bastard.

fleet_admiral

tobsey wrote: »

That's the first piece of common sense from him.

absolutely. every home should have a carbon monoxide alarm

sydthebeat

This is a complete no Brainer.

The only mistake is letting bully boy phil make the announcement.

P. Breathnach

The cost of a carbon monoxide alarm is very small; the cost of not having one is potentially very high.

I'd support the idea.

Hande hoche!

Seems like a sensible idea

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2gqThOfHu4

floydmoon1

So how will they make this compulsory.

Are they going to have inspectors entering your home.

Are smoke alarms compulsory?

How do they monitor if you have one.

suicide_circus

In unrelated news, Denis O'briens new carbon monoxide alarm company has won a state tender.

Hitchens

osarusan wrote: »

How dare that nanny-state bastard try and prevent my accidental death!

I'll show him, the nanny-state bastard.

So you wouldn't have one installed unless the state forces you to?

osarusan

Hitchens wrote: »

So you wouldn't have one installed unless the state forces you to?

I'd rather die than have my right to carbon monoxide poisoning removed.

fullaljackeen

I expected a dying from carbon monoxide tax instead.

Steven81

Smoke alarms and carbon monoxide alarms should be compulsary, always thought a handy man should go door to door selling and installing them for people. It is always reported in the news when people do die as a result of the poisoning.

Hitchens

Big Phil is thinking of introducing compulsory hypothermia alarms as well

Atlantic Dawn

Fire alarms should be compulsory, should be random inspections for them. Many more times people die from fire than carbon monoxide poisoning.

Guy:Incognito

Hitchens wrote: »

Big Phil is thinking of introducing compulsory hypothermia alarms as well

First one didn't cause the outrage expected so we're going to go for some mild hyperbole eh?

humbert

Another law that can't be enforced so some politician can be seen to be doing something.

Arthur Beesley

Can we not just ban carbon monoxide?

sydthebeat

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Fire alarms should be compulsory, should be random inspections for them. Many more times people die from fire than carbon monoxide poisoning.

Fire detection systems have been compulsory for new homes since 1997.

This is being brought in as a building regulation and affects new homes, and homes where the fuel burning heating system is being altered.

mickydoomsux

humbert wrote: »

Another law that can't be enforced so some politician can be seen to be doing something.

If you actually bothered to read the article (lol, why do that?. "Big Phil, herp-a-derp etc1111!!!!111") it says that they have to be fitted when new or replacement boilers, fires, heaters and stoves are installed.

It's a building regulation like compulsory fire alarms in new house builds. It'll be enforced the same way as they are at the moment.

sydthebeat

humbert wrote: »

Another law that can't be enforced so some politician can be seen to be doing something.

Are laws just something that should be broken?

Is there no part of your brain that tells you this law will save lives?

Your response is lazy and completely ill informed.

catallus

Apparently there's a load of new regulations coming in presently in relation to new builds; god be with the days we could live in hastily built death-traps! The downside is that construction companies now need to jump through regulatory hoops to have a license to build, which will probably put a lot of guys out of business.

touts

Personally I have two Carbon Monoxide Detectors (upstairs and downstairs) but I notice there is no sign the money grabbing bastards would think about dropping the VAT on them when they make them compulsory. Average price is ~€35. 23% VAT. 2 million homes. That's €16 million extra tax.

Tilly

I've one already and a fire alarm, fire blanket and extinguisher. Dib dib dib.

sydthebeat

touts wrote: »

Personally I have two Carbon Monoxide Detectors (upstairs and downstairs) but I notice there is no sign the money grabbing bastards would think about dropping the VAT on them when they make them compulsory. Average price is ~€35. 23% VAT. 2 million homes. That's €16 million extra tax.

'NEW' homes and new heating systems!!!

Do people read?

We're currently building less than 20k New homes yearly, and let's say an optimistic 10k who change their systems. That's 30k.

Which would equate to about €240, 000 yearly in vat.

I completely agree that they should be vat exempt though.

mickdw

I genuinely cannot understand why this took so long. Very simple yet so worthwhile regulation.
There will be no need for inspections etc as Firstly they will be installed in new builds and as such electrical and building regulation compliance certification will depend on the alarm being in place. Secondly, where works are being carried out, you will again have professional trades involved who will be aware of their responsibility and will issue the alarm is fitted. There is no requirement for Alarm to be fitted to existing house that had not had upgrade works carried out.
Anyone who gets cowboys to work on boiler installation are asking for trouble anyway.
Aside from the regs, every home should have an alarm and as someone mentioned, there probably is a business opportunity in travelling the country firing alarms door to door.

Phoebas

humbert wrote: »

Another law that can't be enforced so some politician can be seen to be doing something.

Of course it can be enforced - to the extent that it needs to be enforced.
Its just a simple change to the building regulations.

Phoebas

touts wrote: »

Personally I have two Carbon Monoxide Detectors (upstairs and downstairs) but I notice there is no sign the money grabbing bastards would think about dropping the VAT on them when they make them compulsory. Average price is ~€35. 23% VAT. 2 million homes. That's €16 million extra tax.

Where are these 2 million new homes being built?

Arthur Beesley

Phoebas wrote: »

Where are these 2 million new homes being built?

Leitrim

touts

Phoebas wrote: »

Where are these 2 million new homes being built?

2 Million homes in the country.

touts

sydthebeat wrote: »

'NEW' homes and new heating systems!!!

Do people read?

We're currently building less than 20k New homes yearly, and let's say an optimistic 10k who change their systems. That's 30k.

Which would equate to about €240, 000 yearly in vat.

I completely agree that they should be vat exempt though.

Just starting with new ones and ones that change the boiler, etc but doubtless in a year or two they will make it a requirement for house insurance or something like that. Now that may well be a good thing but if this was purely about increasing safety they should zero the vat rate.

Phoebas

touts wrote: »

2 Million homes in the country.

But this regulation applies only to new homes or where new heating systems are installed.

Phoebas

touts wrote: »

Just starting with new ones and ones that change the boiler, etc but doubtless in a year or two they will make it a requirement for house insurance or something like that. Now that may well be a good thing but if this was purely about increasing safety they should zero the vat rate.

Where do you get that idea from?

touts

Phoebas wrote: »

Where do you get that idea from?

Track record of the government. Just look at how the NCT has become an annual tax on cars 10 years or older.

Phoebas

touts wrote: »

Track record of the government.

Specifically, when in the past did they introduce a building regulation for new builds / upgrades and then extend it to cover all homes?

Even smoke alarms aren't compulsory.

Phoebas

touts wrote: »

Just look at how the NCT has become an annual tax on cars 10 years or older.

Are you seriously citing the changes in NCT testing (which you inexplicably think is a tax) as evidence that the government are doubtless going to extend this building regulation?

If that's all you're basing this on, then really you're just off on a rant.

touts

Phoebas wrote: »

Specifically, when in the past did they introduce a building regulation for new builds / upgrades and then extend it to cover all homes?

Even smoke alarms aren't compulsory.

I think the creep on requirements for the NCT is a model that they could easily reapply and while I can't produce a smoking gun of written proof I believe given the track record of this government that they probably will. I think it is probably a good idea in general but I also believe that the temptation of the VAT intake will be too tempting. A decent government would zero the tax on these alarms and on home insurance for a year and require people use the savings to install carbon monoxide and smoke alarms. Then after the year they can reintroduce the various taxes and make it a requirement for house insurance.

touts

Phoebas wrote: »

Are you seriously citing the changes in NCT testing (which you inexplicably think is a tax) as evidence that the government are doubtless going to extend this building regulation?

If that's all you're basing this on, then really you're just off on a rant.

You're the one getting all worked up. Go have a coffee.

Tail Docker

They can shove it. I've a budgie in a cage beside the bed with a bell attached to its foot. I tried getting a canary but they were spendy, so budgie it is. Good enough for miners, good enough for me.

No Pants

Tilly wrote: »

I've one already and a fire alarm, fire blanket and extinguisher. Dib dib dib.

I have a fireman uniform, complete with hat and siren.

Skylinehead

No Pants wrote: »

I have a fireman uniform, complete with hat and siren.

Is the siren on the hat?

Hitchens

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

First one didn't cause the outrage expected so we're going to go for some mild hyperbole eh?

blueshirt alert!

No Pants

Skylinehead wrote: »

Is the siren on the hat?

Of course!

dashcam5586

Are we going to have a carbon monoxide alarm inspector now or something?
Fupp off

Wossack

dashcam5586 wrote: »

Are we going to have a carbon monoxide alarm inspector now or something?
Fupp off

following an extensive consultation process, a department of inspectors I'd imagine :pac:

Shakespeare's Sister

Hitchens wrote: »

blueshirt alert!

Lol. I'm not, yet I fully agree with them?

I'd bet that anyone who finds, no... looks for, a problem with this extremely logical, beneficial measure would be the same people to blame the government in some way for someone dying of carbon monoxide poisoning.

A lot of people don't know about the dangers (extreme) of carbon monoxide or don't bother/think of getting an alarm, so this is a great way of increasing uptake.

Going on about "nanny state" really is manufacturing outrage.

Phoebas

Hitchens wrote: »

blueshirt alert!

So now we see your true colours.

You didn't start this thread to discuss the relative merits of the new building regulation; you started it to make a cheap dig at Phil Hogan and the government.
That backfired on you so you reverted to another cheap dig at contributors to the thread.

sillyoulfool

Hitchens wrote: »

From Sept 1st 2014

Big Phil, the Head Nanny strikes again

http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/carbon-monoxide-alarms-to-become-compulsory-629620.html

People are dying needlessly because these life saving devices have not been fitted, fair play Phil and fúk you to the begrudgers!

scudo2

sillyoulfool wrote: »

People are dying needlessly because these life saving devices have not been fitted, fair play Phil and fúk you to the begrudgers!

Read the story on my sisters death and see if all the begruging fools still think that making CO alarms compulsary is a stupit law.
It should be common sense and not even require a law.