Tailpaint troubles

TossL1916

Hi lads,
We tailpainted the heifers on wednesday and began breeding thursday morn. Anything were serving is based on observation only because about half the group are completly rubbed off each day.


This is the stuff were using.
Not at all sure whats going wrong, the first evening some of them were licking it off one another but we thought they wouldnt continue doing it. Were using the same product on the cows but having no problems with them.
Should we be switching to scratch pads? and if so can anyone recommend a particular brand?

Mulumpy

No point using paint on heifers. As you say it just rubs off them from constantly messing. Use Kamars they are the only job for heifers

joejobrien

There scratch cards and a spray on glue call scoth glue in a spray tin. spray a small area on the animal and spray back of card, wait a min approx, apply onto animal and job is oxo:D You might get an odd one to peel/ pull off her back but excellent around

TheSunderz

you mean ur uncles heifers toss!!!!! :-P

minktrapper

scratchcards are a great job

poor farmer

Have been ai ing hefirs for a good few years. The are always on outfarms.I have tried various heat detection aids .
The best i found was the grey patches (oestrus alert) with the can of glue.or Ambic Alert blister patches.

TossL1916

thanks for the replies, apart from you sunderz :P
those of you who use the scratch cards who do ye purchase them from?

frazzledhome

Just to counter, I've used them all and find nothing compares to the Kmar

minktrapper

TossL1916 wrote: »

thanks for the replies, apart from you sunderz :P
those of you who use the scratch cards who do ye purchase them from?

A.I. station.Heifers might try to eat them off just keep an eye on them.

bogman_bass

I find the AI alerts a great job. same as the kamar but cheeper

joejobrien

purchase from munster ai.

C4d78

joejobrien wrote: »

purchase from munster ai.

Do they sell that Scotch weld glue as well or where's best place to get it? Anybody know as I've never come across it..?

poor farmer

getting the Ambic Alert from Buyrite .I think a pack of 40 costs €60

Hugh 2

TossL1916 wrote: »

Hi lads,
We tailpainted the heifers on wednesday and began breeding thursday morn. Anything were serving is based on observation only because about half the group are completly rubbed off each day.


This is the stuff were using.
Not at all sure whats going wrong, the first evening some of them were licking it off one another but we thought they wouldnt continue doing it. Were using the same product on the cows but having no problems with them.
Should we be switching to scratch pads? and if so can anyone recommend a particular brand?

Just noticed the picture you posted was of the water biased paint.
FIL make a oil biased one as well (usually available in liter container) that is much harder to get off -it might have been more suitable for heifers...

Gillespy

Kamars for me too, yet to get the tube of glue to do the 25 in a box though. Heifers are inside here for breeding and one flaw in that is the way some of them lie against the cubicle sets off the kamar.

Hugh 2

TossL1916 wrote: »

Hi lads,
We tailpainted the heifers on wednesday and began breeding thursday morn. Anything were serving is based on observation only because about half the group are completly rubbed off each day.


This is the stuff were using.
Not at all sure whats going wrong, the first evening some of them were licking it off one another but we thought they wouldnt continue doing it. Were using the same product on the cows but having no problems with them.
Should we be switching to scratch pads? and if so can anyone recommend a particular brand?

I am surprised Fil make detail-water biased paint and teltail -oil biased paint.

I find the oil biased one harder to remove -especially in the first few days after application.

I am just curious as to whether the animals
wet at application
paint applies with the hair (as opposed to being rubbed both ways leaving a mat or crust of paint)
or was the paint rubbed off before it got dry as in rubbed off on the crush of collecting yard .

I find the oil biased one hard to get off fully even on cows for the first few days after application..?

TossL1916

Hugh 2 wrote: »

I am surprised Fil make detail-water biased paint and teltail -oil biased paint.

I find the oil biased one harder to remove -especially in the first few days after application.

I am just curious as to whether the animals
wet at application
paint applies with the hair (as opposed to being rubbed both ways leaving a mat or crust of paint)
or was the paint rubbed off before it got dry as in rubbed off on the crush of collecting yard .

now that you mention it we have both the oil and water based bottles, i didnt think there was a difference between them, we were using them both at the same time so that may explain why so many were rubbed off. we re-painted them saturday and so far very have been rubbed off that havent been bulling.
heifers were dry when it was applied and very little was getting rubbed off in the crush. we were applying it by rubbing both ways, i thought that was the correct way to do it to make it more difficult to rub off ?

joejobrien

C4d78 wrote: »

Do they sell that Scotch weld glue as well or where's best place to get it? Anybody know as I've never come across it..?

Yes they do.

Hugh 2

TossL1916 wrote: »

we were applying it by rubbing both ways, i thought that was the correct way to do it to make it more difficult to rub off ?

With the water based one I put on plenty rubbing both ways I apply the oil based more cautiously as for the next few days it can take a lot more bulling activity to be taken off