* Important Announcement *

Kiith

Hey folks, in case anyone isn't aware, there is a planned reshuffle of the Games category coming up, which will change quite a few things. The main thing for users here is that the Survival Sandbox forum is being retired. We are however getting a new PC Gaming forum, which most topics in this forum will be suited to.

Details of the changes can be found in the below thread.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057189616

In the meantime, if there are any threads that you would like to be saved, can you post the link in this forum and i'll let see if we can get them moved across.

Let me know if you've any questions.

Kiith

Going to move threads today, and since no one has requested any in particular, i'll just move over any recent threads, or those that were popular (+50 posts).

dreamers75

Whats the deal with game threads?

I dont care for consoles version or opinion on Watchdogs....i would like a PC persons opinion.

We allowed game threads that already exist in games?

Yeti Beast

dreamers75 wrote: »

Whats the deal with game threads?

I dont care for consoles version or opinion on Watchdogs....i would like a PC persons opinion.

We allowed game threads that already exist in games?

Just guessing here, and not meaning to tread on any moderator flavoured toes, but I'd say it depends on the game. Something like GTAV (if we ever get it) would deserve it's own thread here simply because the thread in the Games forum would be spoilerific.

However, I'd prefer if we could have threads here for any game, for the reasons you state, and more - games on PC have their own considerations (drivers, hardware configurations, graphical settings, mods). And it's not like it increases the number of posts that have to be moderated - it just moves some to this forum, which wouldn't be a bad thing at all (a bit more life is needed here).

I'd also be in favour of moving any threads for PC specific titles (Star Citizen, e.g.) over here from Games. The traffic in Games would still be high, but we'd get a nice boost over here too.

degrassinoel

That thread belongs here tbh

jumbobreakfast

elite dangerous, star citizen, arma 3, dayz...oculus rift? Or we just create new threads here and start again

nesf

dreamers75 wrote: »

Whats the deal with game threads?

I dont care for consoles version or opinion on Watchdogs....i would like a PC persons opinion.

We allowed game threads that already exist in games?

Really, game threads should definitely be here. I can't understand any argument otherwise, it's hardly the case that Games is quiet.

Myrddin

jumbobreakfast wrote: »

elite dangerous, star citizen, arma 3, dayz...oculus rift? Or we just create new threads here and start again

The occulus rift thread has been moved here though. The feedback thread linked to in the first post of this thread is still open, why not post your thoughts in that with regards threads games threads in this forum?

gizmo

nesf wrote: »

Really, game threads should definitely be here. I can't understand any argument otherwise, it's hardly the case that Games is quiet.

For general discussion on a particular game, the argument has been keeping a singular thread in the Games section is preferable to having a separate one in the individual platform forums.

To use the above example, there'd be nothing wrong with keeping a separate Watch_Dogs Mods thread or similar in here though. If anything it would be preferable for those just starting out and wanting to avoid spoilers or not wanting to wade through a myriad of irrelevant posts to find the information they want.

nesf

gizmo wrote: »

For general discussion on a particular game, the argument has been keeping a singular thread in the Games section is preferable to having a separate one in the individual platform forums.

Why is it preferable though? Games are often materially different on different platforms, e.g. Dragon Age Origins was a very different game on XBox than on PC due to the way control was implemented in both. Games are often released at different times and discussions can be starkly different between new and old people (e.g. Diablo) or games can have mod support (e.g. any of these). You can say that mod discussion can be split off but this is a bit mad, I mean, beyond just after launch discussing Skyrim with PC players meant discussing modded versions of the game basically.

jumbobreakfast

Myrddin wrote: »

The occulus rift thread has been moved here though. The feedback thread linked to in the first post of this thread is still open, why not post your thoughts in that with regards threads games threads in this forum?

No bother but I did already: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=90294820&postcount=71

Anyway it's just games discussion so I'm not too worried what way it goes

Myrddin

jumbobreakfast wrote: »

No bother but I did already: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=90294820&postcount=71

Anyway it's just games discussion so I'm not too worried what way it goes

Ah, I hadn't noticed that post apologies. To answer it here, the Occulus Rift thread is fine for here & has been moved. The games threads themselves though, as things currently stand, still fall under the remit of the main Games forum. That forum is there to discuss the majority of all games, regardless of platform, & the PC is no different.

The principles of this forum regards games threads are:

Any PC Game that would have gone to Strategy, RPG's, or any of the newly retired forums, can be discussed here.
Any PC Game that is older than a year or so, & out of the spotlight, can be discussed here.
Any community discussion, based on a new release pc game can go here.
Any game mods etc, that are pc related, can go here.

The above are not hard & fast rules, are also this is all new, so it'll settle into a rhythm as time goes on.

Cravez

The Survarium Thread should be moved to here also since it's a PC specific title.

Once the game gets fully released it should generate a bit of traffic i'd say

Status Offline

nesf wrote: »

Why is it preferable though? Games are often materially different on different platforms, e.g. Dragon Age Origins was a very different game on XBox than on PC due to the way control was implemented in both. Games are often released at different times and discussions can be starkly different between new and old people (e.g. Diablo) or games can have mod support (e.g. any of these). You can say that mod discussion can be split off but this is a bit mad, I mean, beyond just after launch discussing Skyrim with PC players meant discussing modded versions of the game basically.

I think in theory, keeping every platform in one thread for a game sounds like it'd work, but more often than not, it's just plain annoying trying to sift through unnecessary information or posts. All you have to do is to check out the Titanfall thread to see pointless arguments starting because of a misunderstanding between platforms. I've seen it in other thread where the console crowd start getting their noses out of joint th every minute some one mentions that they're running the game over 1080p.It doesn't matter if it's not intended to bait an aggressive response, it generally gets one anyway.The game thread for me,and I suspect other posters who couldn't be bothered using it anymore, has become the home of console wars and pointless arguments.It wasn't like that before, but now you can't go into a multi-platform thread with out some one starting off. Personally I'm too old for that ****, it's easier go some where else instead of trawl through the crap..I'd prefer a forum, like the way the PC thread is going , where I can come for all my gaming forum needs.

I'm normally all on for mixing the platforms but in the case of separate threads, I really believe segregation is the way forward.....that's not a political view, mind.

Shiminay

I think I agree. Looking at that Watch_Dogs thread as a great example, it's full of console people whinging that they're going to have "terrible" graphics and all the rest. It'd be nice if the rest of us who won't have such issues could have a proper chat about the game without having to wade through that nonsense.

gizmo

nesf wrote: »

Why is it preferable though? Games are often materially different on different platforms, e.g. Dragon Age Origins was a very different game on XBox than on PC due to the way control was implemented in both. Games are often released at different times and discussions can be starkly different between new and old people (e.g. Diablo) or games can have mod support (e.g. any of these). You can say that mod discussion can be split off but this is a bit mad, I mean, beyond just after launch discussing Skyrim with PC players meant discussing modded versions of the game basically.

The number of games which are materially different could be counted on one hand though, the fact that you had to go back almost five years to find one is rather indicative of that. Games being released at different times, on the other hand, totally warrant a different thread, especially when they can be spoilerific. The Dark Souls 2 one being a prime example of one such successful thread.

As for Skyrim, well that just illustrates my point. The majority of mods released around that time were graphical based ones. Countless posts discussing these would clog up the main game thread for people who want to discuss the actual game. Having a separate thread dedicated to mods in the relevant forum would mean people can avoid sifting through such posts. That way everyone wins.

Shiminay wrote: »

I think I agree. Looking at that Watch_Dogs thread as a great example, it's full of console people whinging that they're going to have "terrible" graphics and all the rest. It'd be nice if the rest of us who won't have such issues could have a proper chat about the game without having to wade through that nonsense.

On the contrary, the most vocal people appear to be those who are complaining that the graphics in the PC version don't live up to the initial reveal because of consoles. Unfortunately, even if Watch_Dogs had its own thread in here we'd still be subjected to that nonsense ad nauseum.

nesf

I don't see any argument for forcing people to discuss stuff in one thread there gizmo.

gizmo

nesf wrote: »

I don't see any argument for forcing people to discuss stuff in one thread there gizmo.

Sorry, I thought it was obvious in my post. The argument is simple, having one thread where everyone playing the game can talk about the game and not get distracted with platform specifics is preferable to having individual threads in each platform forum where discussion is fragmented.

I also find the idea of valuing one persons opinion on a game over another based solely on the platform they're playing it on to be, generally speaking, utterly absurd.

As I said above though, there are plenty of exceptions and since the rules aren't set in stone there's plenty of scope to have separate threads when needed.

nesf

gizmo wrote: »

Sorry, I thought it was obvious in my post. The argument is simple, having one thread where everyone playing the game can talk about the game and not get distracted with platform specifics is preferable to having individual threads in each platform forum where discussion is fragmented.

What? You don't want inter-platform bickering so your solution is to force all users into the same thread? Did you even think that through once before typing it?

dreamers75

gizmo wrote: »

I also find the idea of valuing one persons opinion on a game over another based solely on the platform they're playing it on to be, generally speaking, utterly absurd.

I intend to play watch dogs in 1080p on a 7870(latest cats) with a KB mouse/ someone playing on console in 900p is hardly going to have a useful opinion on how it runs.

Im also only playing €31 for it so dont in any way have to justify a €70 price or have an option to trade it in if its crap.

Sorry if i wanted to chat about the PS4 version I would go here
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057190602
or here
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057216450

I expect a different game as its on PC, it running well is something I would rather a PC persons opinion on. Many other games would fall into that category once the resolution limit is removed from a game.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

<snip> Less of this, thanks.
-Rope

gizmo

nesf wrote: »

What? You don't want inter-platform bickering so your solution is to force all users into the same thread? Did you even think that through once before typing it?

There shouldn't be inter-platform bickering and if there is, that's for the mods to sort out.

Segregation most certainly isn't the solution to this, a bit of maturity is.

dreamers75 wrote: »

I intend to play watch dogs in 1080p on a 7870(latest cats) with a KB mouse/ someone playing on console in 900p is hardly going to have a useful opinion on how it runs.

And if you were to post your specs in the thread and ask that question, I highly doubt someone playing it on a console would give you their opinion on how it runs.

<snip> Please don't publicly announce your reports - If you have a problem, report it and move on. Anything beyond that is derailing.
-Rope

Myrddin

dreamers75 wrote: »

Sorry if i wanted to chat about the PS4 version I would go here
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057190602

That's about the price of the game

or here
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057216450

And that's about the game/console bundle.

I expect a different game as its on PC, it running well is something I would rather a PC persons opinion on. Many other games would fall into that category once the resolution limit is removed from a game.

If you want to discuss the running of the game, there's a thread already here that could accommodate that - http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057216496

nesf

gizmo wrote: »

There shouldn't be inter-platform bickering and if there is, that's for the mods to sort out.

Segregation most certainly isn't the solution to this, a bit of maturity is.

Again, think things through before you state them. You just asked for maturity from random strangers on the internet.

gizmo

nesf wrote: »

Again, think things through before you state them. You just asked for maturity from random strangers on the internet.

Indeed I did and regardless of the futility of such a desire, I still find the current setup preferable to segregating individual game threads across multiple forums.

As I said, it would result in users needing to read through multiple threads in order to discuss a game with a wider variety of posters and the supposed downsides listed thus far are either irrelevant or highlight the exceptions covered in the guidelines Myrddin posted earlier.

gizmo

RopeDrink wrote: »

I'm not interested in the Forum if it cannot be individual as well as contain it's own game related discussions.

I like the Games Forum - Really, I do - But I'd like to think that if I want to get nitty gritty on PC ONLY matters, then I wouldn't have to sift through pages of other unrelated nonsense. I have not owned a console since the PSX - I do not intend for this to change, so the less console related stuff I have to go through, the better - Hence my appeal of being part of a PC Gaming Forum - Yet if that cannot house it's own specific PC game threads, then I see it as completely and utterly pointless.

If I want to talk about DayZ on PC and not consoles, I want to do it here. If I want to talk about DIII on PC and not the latest console release, here (you see where this is going).

If I want to talk about Modding (not development side, we have GD&E for that) then I want to do it here. Consoles are also partial to modding these days, so let's not mix that up.

Now, as an RE6 player, if I want to talk about that - I'd do it in Games. Why? Because there is little to no difference between them, were released at the same time and the PC/Console communities playing it can co-exist as can it's discussion. If people wanted to post an RE6 MODDING thread (non-console) fine, but that wouldn't warrant much discussion.

These are just examples. I see it working perfectly fine this way.

I won't make any time for the argument of 'It's bad to spread a topic across X threads' - No, compacting them all INTO a lone thread in Games clogs the hell out of it now that we have the versatility of a PC Platform forum. Doing so will have no impact on Games as it can still house the same discussions for general gaming.

I can't honestly fathom why people make such a big deal out of this. If your idea of 'hassle' is adding one extra forum to your subbed list and accessing it from your subbed tab when you want a more specifically directed discussion for the PC side of X game, then you shouldn't be using Forums at all.

From my understanding of the current set of guidelines, all of this is precisely what they encourage, no?

nesf

gizmo wrote: »

From my understanding of the current set of guidelines, all of this is precisely what they encourage, no?

No.

Myrddin

nesf wrote: »

No.

Well, that's me convinced.

gizmo

RopeDrink wrote: »

I have no idea of any guidelines or who 'they' are - Above is me shooting from the hip on what I envision this Forum to be simply by it's title - And my inability to understand what's so hard to fathom about the idea, or why anyone would want to hamper it's growth by requesting we continue to mash console & pc games into singular topics in a singular forum (going by sporadic skimming through the thread before hastily hitting reply).

Sorry, "they" referred to the principles of the forum outlined here by Myrddin and discussed at length on the feedback thread in the Games forum here.

As I interpret them, they happen to align since the only thread that would be discouraged is a vanilla Resident Evil 6 thread in both forums for the reasons you've stated. The rest would be completely kosher due to the different experiences offered on each platform, varying release dates, mods etc...

nesf

Myrddin wrote: »

Well, that's me convinced.

So we can discuss multiplatform games in here then if we want a PC gamer audience? If so, then fine. Otherwise, no Ropie's list isn't satisfied.

Retr0gamer

There's a little bit of misinformation here:

RopeDrink wrote: »

If I want to talk about DayZ on PC and not consoles, I want to do it here. If I want to talk about DIII on PC and not the latest console release, here (you see where this is going).

If I want to talk about Modding (not development side, we have GD&E for that) then I want to do it here. Consoles are also partial to modding these days, so let's not mix that up.

Now, as an RE6 player, if I want to talk about that - I'd do it in Games. Why? Because there is little to no difference between them, were released at the same time and the PC/Console communities playing it can co-exist as can it's discussion. If people wanted to post an RE6 MODDING thread (non-console) fine, but that wouldn't warrant much discussion.

We're currently in discussion about Dayz and Rust since we feel they are community based and would come under the umbrella of the PC Gaming forum.

RE6 and Diablo 3 discussion here is fine as well. RE6 is an old game so if it's to drum up a community it falls under the umbrella of PC Gaming. Diablo 3 is old and also a staggered release on PC and console so that would fall under the PC Gaming forum as well.

Modding and mods. Those are perfectly fine to discuss here as well. They are also not valid reasons for having to main discussions on a game in each forum. Mods don't appear until after a game is out so once the mods appear it's fine.

gizmo

Retr0gamer wrote: »

There's a little bit of misinformation here:

We're currently in discussion about Dayz and Rust since we feel they are community based and would come under the umbrella of the PC Gaming forum.

RE6 and Diablo 3 discussion here is fine as well. RE6 is an old game so if it's to drum up a community it falls under the umbrella of PC Gaming. Diablo 3 is old and also a staggered release on PC and console so that would fall under the PC Gaming forum as well.

Modding and mods. Those are perfectly fine to discuss here as well. They are also not valid reasons for having to main discussions on a game in each forum. Mods don't appear until after a game is out so once the mods appear it's fine.

I think most of those who have replied so far have no problem with the above types of threads. The only type in contention it seems would be (taking current games in the Games forum as an example) threads for titles such as Murdered: Soul Suspect, Wolfenstein and The Wolf Among Us. Games which, to paraphrase RopeDrink, aren't particularly different across platforms, were released at the same time, have no real modding potential currently and whose communities can co-exist quite happily.

Yeti Beast

We should start nominating threads to be moved from general Games to here... what do ye think? Just went through a few pages and found this lot for starters.

• Star Citizen
• Rust
• The Forest
• Prison Architect
• S.T.A.L.K.E.R. - Lost Alpha
• Survarium
• DayZ Standalone
• ARMA 3
• X Rebirth
• The Long Dark
• The Stomping Land
• Civilization: Beyond Earth

dreamers75

Myrddin wrote: »

That's about the price of the game



And that's about the game/console bundle.



If you want to discuss the running of the game, there's a thread already here that could accommodate that - http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057216496

Sorta case in point on this one, PC users having issues with Ultra with machines that should run Ultra(watchdogs).

Dont see how loads of posts from PC users in the games forum would help the games thread.

I was only asking what was the story on game threads, A no is a no.

Kiith

We've discussed this a bit more, and are going to go with the following for recent and upcoming games from now on.

1. General games discussion that is the same regardless of what platform a game is on (i.e. gameplay, design, story etc...), should take place the main Games forum. This is in line with changes made to the Games category a few years ago, which greatly benefited the category as a whole.

2. Threads for the above games in the PC Gaming forum are fine, but should be used to talk about PC specific issues (tech discussions, controllers, mods etc...). For example, a Watch Dogs thread for discussing graphical settings, creating a Skyrim thread to talk about mods, or a LFG type thread for PC players are all a perfect fit for PC Gaming.

3. Separate threads for games with staggered releases (i.e. Dark Souls 2) are fine as well, as it's hard to avoid spoilers while still wanting to discuss a game.

The PC Gaming forum is flying so far, and there's a huge scope for discussion here. There will always be some overlap, but we feel that these changes will allow both Games and PC Gaming to thrive.

If anyone has any suggestions, feel free to PM any of the mods. We're happy to listen to any ideas that will help us improve the forum.