A snapshot that tells a broader tale.

hatz7

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Every time we ever discuss IRA murderers on this forum all we ever here from the apologists is "what about".

The Golden Miller wrote: »

Every time we ever discuss British murderers on this forum all we ever here from the apologists is "what about".

Point is, I can understand an Irish persons point of view in wanting to emphasize with their fellow Irish men in the North, whether it's right or wrong. You take your families side when things happen in life and defend them whether they are right or wrong, and this is the same, just on a broader scale. It's natural to defend your own.

But people like you just seem to defend everything Britain for the sake of it. Normally starts of playing the devil's advocate for the sake of it in arguments like a united Ireland for example, while secretly wanting a united Ireland. But people like you do it so much, and find the reception to your arguments is pretty hostile, so you actually start disliking the nationalists you are arguing with. And over time your attitude hardens and dislike anything nationalist, and will constantly defend the opposite thereafter, just for the sake of it. It's pretty pathetic, and your a shining example of it. Of course you'll disagree with me for the sake of it, knowing deep down I have you to a tee. You need to get out more, if you whole life revolves around worshipping and defending Britain, just for the sake of it

This exchange of views caught my attention.
I think there is more than a grain of truth to what The Golden Miller had to say.
Why do a vast swathe of the Irish population jump to defend the British at every opportunity, some sort of cultural cringe, or really, really, really really don't like Sinn Fein?

osarusan

There is a big big difference between not liking Sinn Fein and defending the British.

But there are posters on here who love to conflate one with the other through the fallacy that if you don't like Sinn Fein, you must be a Brit apologist.

wazky

osarusan wrote: »

There is a big big difference between not liking Sinn Fein and defending the British.

But there are posters on here who love to conflate one with the other through the fallacy that if you don't like Sinn Fein, you must be a Brit apologist.

Then there are the people who claim that if you don't want to form a lynch mob and head for the local Sinn Fein office, then you must be 'shinnerbot'.

Uriel.

wazky wrote: »

Then there are the people who claim that if you don't want to form a lynch mob and head for the local Sinn Fein office, then you must be 'shinnerbot'.

This shinnerbot malarkey is really start to grate on me. I cringe everytime I see/hear someone coming out with it. It's embarrassing if the "strength" of anyone's debate is reduced to the need to come out with such crap

osarusan

wazky wrote: »

Then there are the people who claim that if you don't want to form a lynch mob and head for the local Sinn Fein office, then you must be 'shinnerbot'.

Yes, there are, and those opinions are just as illogical.

That's not what the OP was asking though.

Vito Corleone

Distraction tactics is what it seems like to me. Yawn.

orangesoda

The Anglo-Irish are everywhere, you can't even go and watch a random football video without them crawling out of nowhere

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYYwDaFfLWU

'1 all ireland since 1884, ye are ****. Micheal Collins was right to leave Londonderry to the Brits.'

Though people should learn to ignore it and not bring themselves down to their level, unlike 'Mary McAleese' who replied

'We were that busy fightin the brits, football took second priority. fcuk you away off ye wee freestate c*nt ye. No irish man at all!'

Lou.m

hatz7 wrote: »

This exchange of views caught my attention.
I think there is more than a grain of truth to what The Golden Miller had to say.
Why do a vast swathe of the Irish population jump to defend the British at every opportunity, some sort of cultural cringe, or really, really, really really don't like Sinn Fein?

I don't see the sides as British vrs Irish i see it as good vrs bad ..some Irish are good some bad some British are good some bad.

Margaret Thatcher = BAD

Mo Molam = GOOD!

SF AND JERRY ADAMS = BAD

JOHNE HUME = GOOD!

I don't know why people see it British vrs Irish it is decent people vrs scum.

It would be like defending bloody sunday if you were british if you defend Jerry Adams and his like.

And I will not be manipulated, distracted or bullied by anyone. We Irish know our own minds thank you.

By the way ask anyone down north if they think SF have not sold them out just like our lot whilst in power.

Lou.m

Why is it we have the right to trash every other party but SF???

They would be dictators in power!


They are politicians ..which means they are not on our side. All politicians are self serving. It is best to be very suspicious of all of them.

Haughy was involved in gunrunning to the IRA and was a passionate nationalist.......he was money grabbing psycho.

It is true that Charles Haughey did make overtures to the IRA in 1969 as to the delivery of arms and money if the IRA and Official Sinn Fein were to cease their activities on social and economic issues in the republic and concentrate their energies and minds on "dealing with" the Protestant population in Northern Ireland.

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