How many digits???

gfwd

I've just re-reg'd a 67 Triumph 1300 and decided to go for a 67 D plate. I was a bit taken aback to see 6 number after the D! Anyone else have a classic with a 9 digit plate? I always like to get the old style black plates with raised or peaked digits but I don't think I'll be able to do this with a number that long. Anyone got any suggestions, other than a modern white EU plate?

macplaxton

They all start from 120001 for Dublin. Where have you been the last 2 years? :P

If you like the old style plates, you should have just taken a ZV. Although then again, for Dublin that would have been ZV10491 or higher. (At least with a pair of 1's they would of fitted onto a 6 space plate)

Here's a couple of others that have been posted before...



Legally, there is no choice (bar the non-existent enforcement). County format goes either on a plain white reflective plate 1987-1990 or from 1991-on a Euro plate. The only things that go on an old-style plate are old style registrations and ZVs (although for some 7 character ZVs a slightly longer plate might be required to meet the required character dimensions and spacings.)

Chop it in for a ZV.

lomb

Im regging an 83 car, do I have choice of ZV? Can this be changed later for 83D1234567 ?

macplaxton

If a vehicle is over 30 years old, you can opt for a ZV indexed registration.

You cannot change a ZV for a County series. You can only do it the other way round - County > ZV.

Not all counties start at 120001. Cork starts at 40001. Kildare 16001. I think the lowest is Leitrim at 3001.

lomb

What are the advantages of a ZV over the year system? Surely the ZV is better no?

gfwd

I didn't go for a ZV this time cos, quite frankly, I hate them. I've always had year plates bar one ZV. I had 70 D 860 as my first one and I had 81 D 8163 (I think) in the past so surprised at the sudden jump, especially for a '67. Ridiculous. Oh well, just have to get some crap plates then!

hi5

So has there been any progress on reviving the old registrations yet?

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056746213

carchaeologist

They have totally ****ed up the old car registrations.
The 120000 Dublin numbers are beyond retarded.

macplaxton

gfwd wrote: »

I didn't go for a ZV this time cos, quite frankly, I hate them.

I know they aren't perfect, but they are in some sort of keeping with the old series, being the dogend of unused Dublin allocation. New county series on pre-87 cars seems odd to me as the powers that be should have boxed off the two systems either side of the cut-off date. That would of prevented the 100 year overlap between say a 1910 and 2010 being on the same index.

Can you explain further why you hate them?

lomb

Is there a choice of a short year plate in a different county? Do you have a county selection or do you need an address somewhere?
83 D 120125 looks crap compared with 83 D 125 say.
I think I might just opt for the ZV plate.

macplaxton

Examples were given above of starting numbers, nothing short of four digits. You need an address.

gfwd

Can you explain further why you hate them?

They just look what they are - fake. I know they're supposed to mimic old Irish plates but they don't do it for me. Perhaps if the ZV was after the numbers they wouldn't look so bad.

macplaxton

I can see your point if you're saying ZV nnnnn is fake.

I still see ZV nnnn though as an unused allocation.

New county issues should never have been allocated to pre-87 vehicles. It's more or less been all downhill since.

carchaeologist

As iv said before, there were(are) complete unused series' still post 1/1/87 that could have been used besides lengthening the ZV series.

gfwd

I know what you're saying when you think of ZV nnnn as an unused allocation but ZV nnnn would date a car to maybe the 40s/50s? Whereas nnnn ZV would bring it up to very late 60s/early 70s, which many cars brought into Ireland these days are. But that's just me 67 D 120005 is just plain ridiculous though. It should be properly looked at imo.

Silvera

gfwd wrote: »

I know what you're saying when you think of ZV nnnn as an unused allocation but ZV nnnn would date a car to maybe the 40s/50s? Whereas nnnn ZV would bring it up to very late 60s/early 70s, which many cars brought into Ireland these days are. But that's just me 67 D 120005 is just plain ridiculous though. It should be properly looked at imo.

I agree...and with carchy's previous post...there are lots of un-used pre-1987 letter combinations (which were never issued) which could now be used for veteran/vintage/classic vehicles.

Another proposal which I have mentioned online many-a-time is to expand the 'ZV' series as follows:

100 ZV to 999 ZV (for pre 1920 vehicles)
999 ZV to 9999 ZV (for 1921 to 1960 vehicles)
ZVA 100 - ZVA 999
ZVB 100 - ZVB 999
ZVC 100 - ZVC 999
etc etc etc (for 1961 to 1986 vehicles)

With a bit of thought the govt could even make a few euros from such a system by holding back 'special'
numbers such as e.g. ZVA 911 (for a Porsche 911 owner), ZVB 520 (for a BMW 520 owner), ZVP 205 (for
a Peugeot 205 GTi owner) etc etc etc. (Another possibility is the auctioning of 'low number' i.e numbers
under '100' - with the funds going to selected charities). My 2cent.

gfwd

That makes a lot more sense to me and would look okay on a car. Hopefully someone from the appropriate authorities might see this!

whisky_galore

Would prefer it there was scope for a car to run legally with its pre-import number, for a fee. I feel that you're losing a bit of the car's history by re-numbering. If other countries can have oddball/vanity plates why not? Of course I know well with the imagination shown by govt pen-pushers that will never happen.

larchill

macplaxton wrote: »

I can see your point if you're saying ZV nnnnn is fake.

I still see ZV nnnn though as an unused allocation.

New county issues should never have been allocated to pre-87 vehicles. It's more or less been all downhill since.

Indeed, using new fomat reg nos for older vehicles never looked right. 33-D-123456 looks daft on a 1933 Austin. ZV 12345 not quiet as bad but not great either. Why plate specs were allowed to relate to the age of the vehicle (ie: old style for pre '87, non EU for '87 to '90, & EU for '91 to present), but actual reg nos had to of the daft type? There pleanty of unused capacity in the previous ABC 123/123 ABC/AB 1234/1234 AB format.

larchill

Wasn't it possible under the old pre '87 system to re-use old reg's? I remember back in the '80s a Volvo 345 with a reg: IY 345, & a Vauxhall Cavalier Coupe with IY 11.

B2AUDI80

Im not too well versed in the whole thing other than it looks awful having a zv with big numbers!!

Maybe im wrong but surely if the representing body/federation of the classic car owners in this country put a decent and concentrated effort into this there wouldve been a better set up than the zv system introduced ???
Possibly the wrong people with the wrong ideas are in the positions that matter to give owners the vioce they need on it !!

Look at the farce that is SIMI and how new cars have now managed to get 131/132 /141 regs in the last couple of years which was pushed and supported by SIMI

whisky_galore

B2AUDI80 wrote: »

Im not too well versed in the whole thing other than it looks awful having a zv with big numbers!!

Maybe im wrong but surely if the representing body/federation of the classic car owners in this country put a decent and concentrated effort into this there wouldve been a better set up than the zv system introduced ???
Possibly the wrong people with the wrong ideas are in the positions that matter to give owners the vioce they need on it !!

Look at the farce that is SIMI and how new cars have now managed to get 131/132 /141 regs in the last couple of years which was pushed and supported by SIMI

That's your problem, no pressure/lobbying and no votes in it.
I'd say a lot of lads don't really care if they drive around with a ridiculously long serial number or even a white plate with a Euro flag on it.

Suspect the senior members of national organisations own older irish regs anyway and don't give two hoots about anyone else?

corktina

you can swap it fro a ZV for around €50...mind you...that will have 8 digits in all probability.

Our number plate system is a farce

larchill

See the attached for a history to our old pre '87 regno format ...

B2AUDI80

whisky_galore wrote: »

That's your problem, no pressure/lobbying and no votes in it.
I'd say a lot of lads don't really care if they drive around with a ridiculously long serial number or even a white plate with a Euro flag on it.

Suspect the senior members of national organisations own older irish regs anyway and don't give two hoots about anyone else?

As always the wrong folk manage to get into the wrong positions , one of the reasons I never bother much about classic clubs too

I think its a disgrace that the ZV system was accepted at all tbh !!