STD (no jokes) to be Nicholls' No.1 next season

Slattsy

Confirmed. Was on the cards.

Jacob wasnt up to it all.

madmoose

Think he has been poor when the pressure has been on him this season, fehily is better but is he tied down with fry?

redzerdrog

Good move for both parties he is a already good jockey but I think he still has a lot to learn and will improve with experience

MoscowFlyer

Obv he will still get to ride TNO no matter what Nicholls has in the same race?

jimjamcos

Shoulda poached Wayne Hutchnson.

sting60

Imo Nicholls has nothing and Jacob was totally vindicated.

mdwexford

redzerdrog wrote: »

Good move for both parties he is a already good jockey but I think he still has a lot to learn and will improve with experience

Agree with this.

sting60 wrote: »

Imo Nicholls has nothing and Jacob was totally vindicated.

Yeah his nothing horses won him the trainers title though and Jacob is a coward who couldn't handle high profile rides.

cson

mdwexford wrote: »

Yeah his nothing horses won him the trainers title though and Jacob is a coward who couldn't handle high profile rides.

That's unnecessarily harsh on Daryl Jacob. He's a genuine lad by all accounts and maybe he's happy to be tipping away with no great pressure on him. Maybe he's seen how it turned out for Sam Thomas and thought he can do without the pressure and expectation that comes with being retained jockey to the Champion Trainer. Not everyone can be Ruby Walsh, and not everyone wants to be, so coward is more than harsh imo.

walrusgumble

sting60 wrote: »

Imo Nicholls has nothing and Jacob was totally vindicated.

Jacobs went down in my estimation on the basis of refusing to ride the big boys, for fear of being the jockey to get beaten on them. Others would, even in the horse's mature age, would have jumped at the chance to ride them. It was not like Jacob's had much other alternatives.

Cheltenham was an utter disaster for him, beyond comedy, even if Nicholls horses weren't up to to winning. (admittingly he had some awful bad luck, and that does not include the horror fall)

BQQ

walrusgumble wrote: »

Jacobs went down in my estimation on the basis of refusing to ride the big boys, for fear of being the jockey to get beaten on them. Others would, even in the horse's mature age, would have jumped at the chance to ride them. It was not like Jacob's had much other alternatives.

I don't think he actually refused to ride them.
He was making noises that he was on a hiding to nothing and the owner/trainer decided that was the wrong frame of mind to be in and they decided that he wouldn't ride.
He accepted their decision.

walrusgumble wrote: »

Cheltenham was an utter disaster for him, beyond comedy, even if Nicholls horses weren't up to to winning. (admittingly he had some awful bad luck, and that does not include the horror fall)

He had some bad luck alright.
Still had a winner though, which is better than most. Good ride too.

Hope freelancing goes well for him.

mdwexford

cson wrote: »

That's unnecessarily harsh on Daryl Jacob. He's a genuine lad by all accounts and maybe he's happy to be tipping away with no great pressure on him. Maybe he's seen how it turned out for Sam Thomas and thought he can do without the pressure and expectation that comes with being retained jockey to the Champion Trainer. Not everyone can be Ruby Walsh, and not everyone wants to be, so coward is more than harsh imo.

Well in my opinion then he is an idiot.

To turn down the ride on the greatest staying hurdler of all time is the most pathetic thing I've heard of. That is the kind of ride jockeys dream of, if he's not up to that he shouldn't be in the game at all.

Tip away with no pressure, maybe he should just ride 20/1 shots at gaff tracks all year then.

His public outburst after the coral cup was also cringe worthy, show some professionalism for god sake. Say Nicholls was mortified after it, no wonder he's gone.

Probably does come across harsh but I have no respect for that man.

RichieLawlor

Stop calling him Jacobs ffs.

BQQ

mdwexford wrote: »

Well in my opinion then he is an idiot.

To turn down the ride on the greatest staying hurdler of all time is the most pathetic thing I've heard of. That is the kind of ride jockeys dream of, if he's not up to that he shouldn't be in the game at all.

Again, he didn't turn down the ride. He was jocked off.

mdwexford wrote: »

Tip away with no pressure, maybe he should just ride 20/1 shots at gaff tracks all year then.

That's what he'd be doing if he accepted Nicholls' offer of staying on as number 2 jockey.

He decided to go freelance because he doesn't fancy tipping away with no pressure on 20/1 shots.

Give the lad a break ffs.

UrbanSea

BQQ wrote: »

Again, he didn't turn down the ride. He was jocked off.



That's what he'd be doing if he accepted Nicholls' offer of staying on as number 2 jockey.

He decided to go freelance because he doesn't fancy tipping away with no pressure on 20/1 shots.

Give the lad a break ffs.

Daryl turned down the ride on Big Bucks it was offered to him before Sam. Strange decision

RichieLawlor

BQQ wrote: »

Again, he didn't turn down the ride. He was jocked off.



That's what he'd be doing if he accepted Nicholls' offer of staying on as number 2 jockey.

He decided to go freelance because he doesn't fancy tipping away with no pressure on 20/1 shots.

Give the lad a break ffs.

He turned down the ride on Big Bucks, also 2nd jockey to Nicholls would be 1 millions times better than freelance

mdwexford

BQQ wrote: »

Again, he didn't turn down the ride. He was jocked off.



That's what he'd be doing if he accepted Nicholls' offer of staying on as number 2 jockey.

He decided to go freelance because he doesn't fancy tipping away with no pressure on 20/1 shots.

Give the lad a break ffs.

Wrong on both counts.

No, he deserves abuse for his attitude this season.

BQQ

UrbanSea wrote: »

Daryl turned down the ride on Big Bucks it was offered to him before Sam. Strange decision

RichieLawlor wrote: »

He turned down the ride on Big Bucks, also 2nd jockey to Nicholls would be 1 millions times better than freelance

mdwexford wrote: »

Wrong on both counts.

Is this a case of collective amnesia?

Here's a news report from the time.

[URL]httphttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/horseracing/cheltenham-festival/10567165/Big-Bucks-owner-Andy-Stewart-defends-decision-to-snub-stable-jockey-Darly-Jacob.html://[/URL]

Speaking from Barbados on Sunday, Stewart said it had been a business decision to book 21-year-old Twiston-Davies, and he stressed that he had discussed the matter with Jacob, who he now expected to partner Zarkandar as a fifth runner for Nicholls in the World Hurdle.

“Paul Nicholls is a businessman first and a trainer second. I’m a

businessman, too, and sometimes you have to make decisions that not everybody is happy about,” Stewart said.

I don't know about you lads, but that reads to me that the decision was made by Stewart/Nicholls not Jacob.

As to whether he's better off freelance or no 2 for Nicholls, I suppose it's debatable.
It depends on what rides he'll be able to get.
Maybe it was just too difficult for him to swallow the demotion.

UrbanSea

BQQ wrote: »

Is this a case of collective amnesia?

Here's a news report from the time.

[URL]httphttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/horseracing/cheltenham-festival/10567165/Big-Bucks-owner-Andy-Stewart-defends-decision-to-snub-stable-jockey-Darly-Jacob.html://[/URL]



I don't know about you lads, but that reads to me that the decision was made by Stewart/Nicholls not Jacob.

As to whether he's better off freelance or no 2 for Nicholls, I suppose it's debatable.
It depends on what rides he'll be able to get.
Maybe it was just too difficult for him to swallow the demotion.

You obviously didn't see the piece Nicholls either had on his site or his Betfair column can't remember which, where he outlined that Darylturned down the ride, or when he went on the morning line and discussed it at length. Daryl somehow viewed it as a lose lose scenario.

BQQ

UrbanSea wrote: »

You obviously didn't see the piece Nicholls either had on his site or his Betfair column can't remember which, where he outlined that Darylturned down the ride, or when he went on the morning line and discussed it at length. Daryl somehow viewed it as a lose lose scenario.

You mean this?

https://betting.betfair.com/horse-racing/paul-nicholls/paul-nicholls-the-reasons-why-sam-twiston-davies-will-be-riding-big-bucks-this-season-120114-9.html

Tough and difficult decisions have to be made in this game, and I won't shy away from them.

There has been no falling out - Daryl will continue to ride for Andy and has the confidence of all our owners - it is just simply that a decision had to be made. And we made it.

Look, there's a difference between not being enthusiastic about something and refusing to do something.
I agree that it's not great for a sportsperson to be in a negative frame of mind like that.
however, a lot of people seem to be under the false impression that he turned it down when it's very clear from the above that the decision was made by Nicholls.

I don't know the lad and I don't want to spend any more of my time sticking up for him here.
I just wish him well in his future career.

UrbanSea

No ill look later on, he flat out said Daryl refused the ride because he saw it as a lose lose situation. Ill look later but he said it on the morning line as well, I'm sure some here saw it

Backstreet Moyes

UrbanSea wrote: »

No ill look later on, he flat out said Daryl refused the ride because he saw it as a lose lose situation. Ill look later but he said it on the morning line as well, I'm sure some here saw it

That is correct he said it on the morning line.

nobody told me

I wouldn't believe a word out of pumpkin head nicholls mouth. The man has shown his true colours too many times now.

UrbanSea

He was more forthright on the Morning Line but it was effectively this according to Nicholls

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/jan/12/daryl-jacob-big-bucks-paul-nicholls-loss

Shanee.

Going to be a future champ Sam. Great jockey hopefully he will start to ride more winners now that he's with Nicholls.

BQQ

UrbanSea wrote: »

He was more forthright on the Morning Line but it was effectively this according to Nicholls

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/jan/12/daryl-jacob-big-bucks-paul-nicholls-loss

That just reiterates what he said in his column.
From your link:

Nicholls continued: "Tough and difficult decisions have to be made in this game and I won't shy away from them. We have obviously been discussing Big Buck's' comeback for a few weeks at Ditcheat and it became clear to me that Daryl had doubts about riding him in the Cleeve, and that immediately put a big doubt in my mind. It was the lack of him being positive more than anything else.

He was more forthright on the morning line, but I believe his exact words were:
"Daryl 'in effect' ruled himself out of the ride".

This could easily be interpreted as: Daryl "in effect" ruled himself out of the ride (by being in a negative frame of mind forcing me to jock him off).
This would be consistent with his and Stewart's previous assertions that they had made the decision.

I think it's telling that Jacob would not confirm that it was his own decision when interviewed.

nobody told me wrote: »

I wouldn't believe a word out of pumpkin head nicholls mouth. The man has shown his true colours too many times now.

As Ted Walsh says: He's a mongrel.

This seems to be his standard PR response when he wields the axe.

http://www.racingpost.com/news/horse-racing/nicholls-reply-may-not-serve-to-clear-the-air/1592457/#newsArchiveTabs=last7DaysNews

DOWN Ditcheat way Big Buck's is at the centre of a jockey dilemma. Deja vu anyone? In the 2008 Hennessy, Sam Thomas's unseating from the horse who would become the greatest long-distance hurdler was the straw that broke the camel's back.

Thomas, who had suffered a series of confidence-knocking reverses while standing in for the sidelined Ruby Walsh, lost the mount on Master Minded in the following week's Tingle Creek Chase, with Paul Nicholls using language that bore striking similarity to that employed with explosive effect yesterday.

Explaining the Master Minded move, Nicholls said at the time: "This takes the heat out of the situation and Sam seemed quite relieved when I told him. If he'd ridden Master Minded he would have been in a no-win situation. The pressure would have been almost unbearable."

Regarding Big Buck's, Nicholls utilised his Betfair column to claim the problem with Jacob was not a rider lacking confidence in himself but in his horse.

"It was as if he regarded the ride as being a no-win situation," wrote Nicholls, later adding: "It wouldn't surprise me if Daryl didn't feel a sense of relief at the news."