British Pathe

losthorizon

British Pathe has now released all its footage on to youtube.

Some of it is funny, some chilling and some downright sad

LOI games are there, The Easter Rising, Hitlers rise to power etc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJvgSXSwNY4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFRasb8HKtw

Can anybody tell me where this game is being played? Is it Dalymount Park?

dan1895

Doesn't look like dalymount. The stands don't look like dalymount and the chimneys in the background don't look like phibsboro. I'd guess it's somewhere in the north of england.

losthorizon

dan1895 wrote: »

Doesn't look like dalymount. The stands don't look like dalymount and the chimneys in the background don't look like phibsboro. I'd guess it's somewhere in the north of england.

Between a Cork and Dublin team?

Duckworth_Luas

A similar chimney was still standing in Milltown, south Dublin back in 2000. I'd say it was Shamrock Rovers old ground, Glenmalure!

dan1895

losthorizon wrote: »

Between a Cork and Dublin team?

I somehow missed that when I first played the video. On second viewing the steeple behind the stand does look like st peters.

fleet_admiral

Duckworth_Luas wrote: »

A similar chimney was still standing in Milltown, south Dublin back in 2000. I'd say it was Shamrock Rovers old ground, Glenmalure!

yeah sure you can see the yellow house in the background:)

dan1895

Duckworth_Luas wrote: »

A similar chimney was still standing in Milltown, south Dublin back in 2000. I'd say it was Shamrock Rovers old ground, Glenmalure!

The two stands on one side are throwing me off. Interested to find out too.

losthorizon

Duckworth_Luas wrote: »

A similar chimney was still standing in Milltown, south Dublin back in 2000. I'd say it was Shamrock Rovers old ground, Glenmalure!

I think they had only one stand - could be wrong as I was never there.

Actually there are a good few people actually standing on the roof of the stand. Just noticed that now.

Alias G

Shelbourne Park? Has two stands today in roughly the same positions. Not sure about that steeple however.

hjkl

That's the Flower Lodge in Cork(Now called Pairc Ui Rinn) I think.

fonecrusher1

I do believe thats whats now called turners cross in Cork. See st Finbarrs cathedral in the background. That was rebuilt after being bombed in WW1. GAA sports were still outlawed in those days which is why there playing soccer.

Titzon Toast

I watched a documentary about Donald Campbell's death before, very sad. They only found his body a few years ago. Massive head trauma brought about a virtually instant death.

discus

Must dig out a few of the best old clips for the grandparents!

Alias G

fonecrusher1 wrote: »

GAA sports were still outlawed in those days which is why there playing soccer.

What are you on about? The clip is from 1925 when there would have been no British presence in Cork (treaty ports excepted). Who exactly would have outlawed Gaelic Games? The lads are playing football because they want to. The only ones banned from GAA sports were those excluded on account of involvement in "foreign games". Was the GAA ever outlawed in any case?

DEFTLEFTHAND

Later than this the League of Ireland flourished, in the 50s Waterford were pulling huge gates. Soccer was always strong in garrison towns, the biggest garrison town of course Dublin (more British than the British themselves :pac:) has some fine clubs, the big Dub derby in the hayday of the LOI was Drumcondra and Shamrock Rovers.

Television the BBC and Match of the Day was the end of it, Paddy started supporting the fashionable English teams, they emigrated to the likes of Manchester and supported one of the big two even though they lived in the catchment areas for Stockport or Rochdale.

They went to London and started supporting the likes of Chelsea and West Ham even though traditionally both clubs real supporters have a particular dislike for us. Chelsea most famously with the 'Blues Brothers Alliance', Chelsea - Linfield - Rangers. Also of course the Chelsea Headhunters hooligan group and their close links to the UDA and their former mad dog leader.

hjkl

fonecrusher1 wrote: »

I do believe thats whats now called turners cross in Cork. See st Finbarrs cathedral in the background. That was rebuilt after being bombed in WW1. GAA sports were still outlawed in those days which is why there playing soccer.

St Finbarrs Cathedral is about 5 miles away from Turners Cross.

losthorizon

fonecrusher1 wrote: »

I do believe thats whats now called turners cross in Cork. See st Finbarrs cathedral in the background. That was rebuilt after being bombed in WW1. GAA sports were still outlawed in those days which is why there playing soccer.

Its definitely not Turners Cross. The shed was not built there until the 1980s and the first stand in the 1990s. Flower Lodge only had one stand.

And if Flower Lodge was bombed during WW1 thats a new one for historians.

fonecrusher1

Alias G wrote: »

What are you on about? The clip is from 1925 when there would have been no British presence in Cork (treaty ports excepted). Who exactly would have outlawed Gaelic Games? The lads are playing football because they want to. The only ones banned from GAA sports were those excluded on account of involvement in "foreign games". Was the GAA ever outlawed in any case?

frimpong wrote: »

St Finbarrs Cathedral is about 5 miles away from Turners Cross.

losthorizon wrote: »

Its definitely not Turners Cross. The shed was not built there until the 1980s and the first stand in the 1990s. Flower Lodge only had one stand.

And if Flower Lodge was bombed during WW1 thats a new one for historians.

Sorry lads my grandfather was actually a WW1 veteran so his thinking may be a little muddled although I still thinks he's right tbh. At the same time ye should have a little respect too :rolleyes:

Titzon Toast

Why should they show respect? They haven't insulted your grandfather.
WW2 sounds right to me, not WW1.

losthorizon

NOt having ago at any WW1 veteran - the greatest respect but its definitely not
Turners Cross. And from what I remember dont think its Flower Lodge

Alias G

fonecrusher1 wrote: »

Sorry lads my grandfather was actually a WW1 veteran so his thinking may be a little muddled although I still thinks he's right tbh. At the same time ye should have a little respect too :rolleyes:

Nobody showed any disrespect to your grandfather. You typed rubbish about by the gaa being outlawed. Anyway, it must be fordsons home ground which apparently was situated extremely close to the current day pairc ui rinn

My name is URL

Alias G wrote: »

Was the GAA ever outlawed in any case?

Well it was placed on a list of banned organisations in 1918, and no games were supposed to be played without a permit, but virtually everyone defied it.

AllGunsBlazing

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Later than this the League of Ireland flourished, in the 50s Waterford were pulling huge gates. Soccer was always strong in garrison towns, the biggest garrison town of course Dublin (more British than the British themselves :pac:) has some fine clubs, the big Dub derby in the hayday of the LOI was Drumcondra and Shamrock Rovers.

Yep. The "foreign game" has always been more popular here in Sligo town rather than GAA (up the Bit o'Red!:D).

But step outside the town boundaries and into the sticks and the opposite becomes true.

losthorizon

I did my dissertation on the spread of Football in Ireland years ago and its incomplete to say it was done to the British Army that Football was started up in certain towns.

Belfast Celtic and Cliftonville were two extremely old clubs in NI and both had non unionist leanings. Cliftonville were formed in 1879.


Belfast Celtic had to withdraw from the Irish League because of political problems.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belfast_Celtic_F.C.

AllGunsBlazing

losthorizon wrote: »

I did my dissertation on the spread of Football in Ireland years ago and its incomplete to say it was done to the British Army that Football was started up in certain towns.

Belfast Celtic and Cliftonville were two extremely old clubs in NI and both had non unionist leanings. Cliftonville were formed in 1879.


Belfast Celtic had to withdraw from the Irish League because of political problems.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belfast_Celtic_F.C.

The fact soccer has always been regarded as a working class sport must have also played a big part in easing its way into the fabric of our society. Its not as if cricket ever really took off here, and rugby has only gone mainstream in the last few decades.

SEPT 23 1989

Is it Shelbournes old ground in Ringsend?

LizzieJones

losthorizon wrote: »

British Pathe has now released all its footage on to youtube.

Some of it is funny, some chilling and some downright sad

LOI games are there, The Easter Rising, Hitlers rise to power etc

Thanks for posting that. There are some great videos on there.
Lots of history (which I love).

fonecrusher1

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Is it Shelbournes old ground in Ringsend?

Its Turners cross. I just confirmed it.:)

riffmongous

AllGunsBlazing wrote: »

The fact soccer has always been regarded as a working class sport must have also played a big part in easing its way into the fabric of our society. Its not as if cricket ever really took off here, and rugby has only gone mainstream in the last few decades.

Cricket was huge in Kilkenny and Tipp at the end of the 19th century,

The game was not played during the Famine years but, unlike hurling, it revived in 1851 and enjoyed its heyday from the 1860s to the First World War. Interest peaked in neighbouring Tipperary in 1876, when there were 43 active teams. The Land War of the 1880s, and the resulting unpopularity of landlords, weakened it there, but the impact was lessened in Kilkenny, where the game was more strongly embedded among the farming class. By the 1880s, 45 teams were active in Kilkenny and ‘There is no game held in such high esteem at the present day as cricket amongst every class from the peasant to the nobleman and all love it’.

http://www.historyireland.com/20th-century-contemporary-history/the-history-of-cricket-in-county-kilkenny-the-forgotten-game/

hjkl

fonecrusher1 wrote: »

Its Turners cross. I just confirmed it.:)

It's not really though.

dan1895

fonecrusher1 wrote: »

Its Turners cross. I just confirmed it.:)

I've seen footage of turners cross from the seventies and it's not as well developed as the ground in that video.

Menas

fonecrusher1 wrote: »

Sorry lads my grandfather was actually a WW1 veteran so his thinking may be a little muddled although I still thinks he's right tbh. At the same time ye should have a little respect too :rolleyes:

If your grandad fought in ww1 then he must be about 114 now?
Big respect.

losthorizon

fonecrusher1 wrote: »

Its Turners cross. I just confirmed it.:)

definitely NOT turners cross. i have been there hundreds of times

hjkl

Turners Cross had nothing but small grassy banks up until the mid 1980s. A small stand was put behind the goal in 85. It is 100% not Turners Cross.