Article In The Sun Newspaper On Ecigs

masonchat

Page 8 of todays sun newspaper, anyone seen it ?.

Its about the HSE ban, and spouts the usual drivel we have all become too familiar with.

BUT it has 2 bullet points on the page, in red circles, one of which says each E-cig contains 4000 chemicals including Formaldehyde, metals and other stuff :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

Red Nissan

The HSE are right to ban Vaping as it is smoking or mimicking smoking and also not as 'safe' as perhaps previously thought.

I would not be too alarmed about the list of chemicals, you'd get them on any clean street too, just walking down the road. As in all things it's the concentration, and exposure levels that one endures is where the problems are.

Samba

masonchat wrote: »

Page 8 of todays sun newspaper, anyone seen it ?.

Its about the HSE ban, and spouts the usual drivel we have all become too familiar with.

BUT it has 2 bullet points on the page, in red circles, one of which says each E-cig contains 4000 chemicals including Formaldehyde, metals and other stuff :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

I'm not buying a copy of that rag, but out of curiosity who wrote it and what studies did they cite for these findings?

masonchat

HA i didnt buy it either so i cant tell you that sorry as i no longer have a copy before me , if anyone has it ?

grindle

masonchat wrote: »

BUT it has 2 bullet points on the page, in red circles, one of which says each E-cig contains 4000 chemicals including Formaldehyde, metals and other stuff :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

That 4000+ chemicals thing is usually spouted about cigs - possible typo or wilful disinformation? Nowhere near that amount has been found with ecigs.
Formaldehyde has been found in exhaled vapour, approximately twice the amount that humans exhale, i.e. Not dangerous.
The metals found in the vapour have been found in such tiny doses that one French doctor said that ecigs are about as dangerous as eating fish.

Samba wrote: »

...what studies did they cite...

Very funny. Expecting integrity from any journalist is whimsical, but from the Sun?
If they'd publish anything with accuracy and a sense of moral decency they'd be on the front cover of every other newspaper the next day.

Samba

grindle wrote: »

Very funny. Expecting integrity from any journalist is whimsical, but from the Sun?

Lmao. Give me some credit, Grindle.

Obviously not. The reason I asked is because I know a few people who write for them so that's why I'm particularly interested in the name of the Journalist. It's got nothing to do with journalistic integrity. Any facts that were included in it would also be good to have at hand for if and when I give a right bollocking if I discover it's someone I know who wrote it.

Sheesh.

grindle

Samba wrote: »

Lmao. Give me some credit, Grindle.

Tongue was in cheek. Have to get credit myself this week, PM your mobile and I'll get you a top-up next week.

Samba wrote: »

Sheesh.

Kebaaaab?

Samba

grindle wrote: »

Tongue was in cheek. Have to get credit myself this week, PM your mobile and I'll get you a top-up next week.

It's oh nein nein nein nein nein nein.

masonchat

Just to clarify , i posted this under the assumption that it is a typo , even worse if that is the case really as a lot of people will just read it and move on

grindle

Samba wrote: »

It's oh nein nein nein nein nein nein.

Ooh, mon petit pétoncle de la vérité, permettez-moi de goûter votre lueur phosphorescente.

Samba

grindle wrote: »

Ooh, mon petit pétoncle de la vérité, permettez-moi de goûter votre lueur phosphorescente.

Jamais!

grindle

Samba wrote: »

Jamais!

Ne jamais dire jamais.



xxx

dePeatrick

Yeah.....eCigs kill....yes they do if you insist on using them to beat yourself repeatelly on the head with a 26650 Mod.....they are still way safer than cigarettes even if you vape the worst liquids, NETs and the sweet fruity ones .......still way better.....:)

tommy2bad

Red Nissan wrote: »

The HSE are right to ban Vaping as it is smoking or mimicking smoking and also not as 'safe' as perhaps previously thought.

I would not be too alarmed about the list of chemicals, you'd get them on any clean street too, just walking down the road. As in all things it's the concentration, and exposure levels that one endures is where the problems are.

Exept in your case the problem seems to be looking like something else.
Bit of a hobby horse for you this smoking thing maybe?

dePeatrick

I have spent ages trying to figure out a friend who is adamantly anti-vaping, they smoke themselves......discovered that their oldest and closest friend (also a smoker) works in the pharmaceutical industry.......and is vehemently anti-vaping.

Was not sure if it was tobacco or Pharma who were spreading the fear of vaping but definitely looks like the Pharma industry wants to stop (steal) it.

Something bizarre about someone lecturing you on vaping with a cigarette in their hand........

tommy2bad

dePeatrick wrote: »

I have spent ages trying to figure out a friend who is adamantly anti-vaping, they smoke themselves......discovered that their oldest and closest friend (also a smoker) works in the pharmaceutical industry.......and is vehemently anti-vaping.

Was not sure if it was tobacco or Pharma who were spreading the fear of vaping but definitely looks like the Pharma industry wants to stop (steal) it.

Something bizarre about someone lecturing you on vaping with a cigarette in their hand........

I kinda understand smokers not liking vaping, I would be a bit against it myself if I was coming to ecigs for the first time now. What you have to remember is a smoker thinks of themselves as smokers, not people who smoke. They see anything that devalues smoking as a threat not just to something they enjoy but to a core part of their identity. This is one of the reasons smoking is so hard to leave behind, never mind the addiction. Unfortunately all the denormalization has only served to reinforce this self identity and produced a seige mentality in smokers.
They will seize on anything negative about vaping "it's worse than smoking", NRT "sure that doesn't work, I know so and so.." or bans or anything else, kinda the other end of the spectrum from reformed smokers who are evangelical for quitting.
I used to promote vaping but found it counter productive, people respond better left to their own devices or vices.

dePeatrick

tommy2bad wrote: »

I kinda understand smokers not liking vaping, I would be a bit against it myself if I was coming to ecigs for the first time now. What you have to remember is a smoker thinks of themselves as smokers, not people who smoke. They see anything that devalues smoking as a threat not just to something they enjoy but to a core part of their identity. This is one of the reasons smoking is so hard to leave behind, never mind the addiction. Unfortunately all the denormalization has only served to reinforce this self identity and produced a seige mentality in smokers.
They will seize on anything negative about vaping "it's worse than smoking", NRT "sure that doesn't work, I know so and so.." or bans or anything else, kinda the other end of the spectrum from reformed smokers who are evangelical for quitting.
I used to promote vaping but found it counter productive, people respond better left to their own devices or vices.

I used to promote it too but now only answer questions when someone asks me about it.

It is as good a theory as I have seen but am not that convinced by it, how could smoking be devalued anymore than it has been over the last thirty years? And smokers, not people who smoke.....semantics possibly....but keep on it....I'd love to see this one cracked...:)

tommy2bad

Hey I'm only an amateur physiologist*, don't expect any great insight.



















*Seems theirs a prohibition on amateur gynaecologists

dePeatrick

tommy2bad wrote: »

Hey I'm only an amateur physiologist*, don't expect any great insight.



















*Seems theirs a prohibition on amateur gynaecologists

And never underestimate the knowledge of an enthusiastic amateur......

grindle

tommy2bad wrote: »

.. a prohibition on amateur gynaecologists

In fairness, that job is only good 1% of the time, probably less. Who wants to be down there when things have gotten so gammy they've gone to see a specialist about it?
Not me.

dePeatrick

grindle wrote: »

In fairness, that job is only good 1% of the time, probably less. Who wants to be down there when things have gotten so gammy they've gone to see a specialist about it?
Not me.

That's for the Professionals Grindle, as a keen amateur I only get into models that are in perfect running order......:)

accaguest

Doesn't the Sun usually give a quote from one of their Page 3 'stunners' on hot topics like these? I'm staying on the fence until I find out what Lara, 21 from Leicestershire, thinks on the issue.