Any tips for Fianna Fáil?

Kermit.de.frog

Just seen an ad for a Fianna Fáil candidate in Dublin. :eek:

I'm stunned that there are young wans out there that seem to think association with Fianna Fáil is the best way to advance their ambitions. But maybe it's admirable all the same not to throw the baby out with the bath water.

It got me thinking what would Fianna Fáil have to do to get your vote at the next election?

Does Fianna Fáil represent the best hope for change?

I wonder about that given some of the old guard seem to be raising their heads above the trenches in recent months.

kneemos

The party for change.

Celly Smunt

No party will offer change, there will be no change.Any change that the lefties offer will be pie in the sky change (raise the minimum wage to 13 euro?!?!, how could anyone agree with that?).

My advice to fianna fail? Be happy with the fine geal coalition in the next run around, compete from within.

Spring Onion

Be under no illusions, Fianna Fail grassroots is getting strong again.
They will be a force again.

All they need to do at the moment is sit back and watch the massive majority government make fools of themselves over and over. I am horribly disappointed at how weak and almost cowardly this FG/Lab government is. They had the opportunity to make real change but the lure of power changed them.

Taxburden carrier

I've got a tip for them but it would probably get me a ban !

mickydoomsux

Just wait it out. Ye'll get back in eventually because people have short memories.

Celly Smunt

"Spring wrote:

I am horribly disappointed at how weak and almost cowardly this FG/Lab government is. They had the opportunity to make real change but the lure of power changed them.

They were never going to make change and they knew it, the dogs on the street knew nothing could be changed.

As pat rabitte said, isnt offering change amd promisea the same thing everyone says during a campaign?

Sh1tbag OToole

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

It got me thinking what would Fianna Fáil have to do to get your vote at the next election?

Get rid of anyone who had anything to do with the party until around 2011 or 2013 to be sure.

Condemn the actions of their predecessors and apologise on their behalf, even though they're gone.

Instead of election posters put up posters ridiculing their past members

Promise to kill themselves should they not manage to get rid of the property tax within a week in the unlikely event of people being stupid enough to re-elect them to government

AnonoBoy

Ran The Country Into The Ground.


He's 8/1 in the 3.20

Great horse. Solid tip.

upstairs for coffee

Spring Onion wrote: »

They had the opportunity to make real change but the lure of power changed them.

Any examples?

Pocoyo

I will be voting for FF 100%

geeky

Since the election, Michael Martin has used the tactic of popping up every few months, saying something pretty reasonable about a selected issue and then - crucially - fupping off before he reminds people who got us into the economic mess in the first place.

As we can see from the polls, it's working pretty well, and they've got a new bunch of young faces to run for them too. I don't think he needs our advice.

I genuinely despise Fianna Fáil as an organisation, but I have to marvel at how Martin brought them back from near-total destruction. It's like watching a competent bond villain rebuild his criminal empire after the credits roll.

MadYaker

bring bertie out of retirement

Celly Smunt

geeky wrote: »

Since the election, Michael Martin has used the tactic of popping up every few months, saying something pretty reasonable about a selected issue and then - crucially - fupping off before he reminds people who got us into the economic mess in the first place.

As we can see from the polls, it's working pretty well, and they've got a new bunch of young faces to run for them too. I don't think he needs our advice.

I genuinely despise Fianna Fáil as an organisation, but I have to marvel at how Martin brought them back from near-total destruction. It's like watching a competent bond villain rebuild his criminal empire after the credits roll.

Its called amnesia, there's something in the water here.

Kermit.de.frog

Flouride.......

Floody Boreland

In voting for them the electorate received what it deserved.

Plain for everyone to see they were the party of greed and corruption but the grassroots have stuck with them.

Belies belief.

Would rather Europe rule than have FF back.

Kermit.de.frog

Don't they deserve another chance? Doesn't everyone deserve another chance? Micheál Martin seems like a nice fella.

kub

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Don't they deserve another chance? Doesn't everyone deserve another chance? Micheál Martin seems like a nice fella.

He strikes me as a bully boy. So much so I love to hit him.

Muahahaha

Celly Smunt wrote: »

No party will offer change, there will be no change.Any change that the lefties offer will be pie in the sky change (raise the minimum wage to 13 euro?!?!, how could anyone agree with that?).

My advice to fianna fail? Be happy with the fine geal coalition in the next run around, compete from within.

It was the lefties who brought down the Garda Commissioner and have ensured that we're finally going to get an independent Garda authority to over see the force, a full 10 years after it was promised after the Donegal Garda scandals. It took Mick Wallace and Clare Daly nearly two years of campaigning to achieve it but they forced FGs hand in the end. Two rag-tag left leaning independents have and have made FG now seem as corrupt as FF in the process.

In fact I would go as far to say that any change we have seen in the lifetime of this government has been a result of the work of left leaning independents, as soon as FG got to office they reneged on their promises, any change we have seen so far has been because the left leaning independents shamed them into it.

Celly Smunt

Muahahaha wrote: »

It was the lefties who brought down the Garda Commissioner and have ensured that we're finally going to get an independent Garda authority to over see the force. It took Mick Wallace and Clare Daly nearly two years of campaigning to achieve it but they forced FGs hand in the end and have made that party now seem as corrupt as FF in the process.

In fact I would go as far to say that any change we have seen in the lifetime of this government has been a result of the work of left leaning independents, as soon as FG got to office they reneged on their promises, any change we have seen so far has been because the left leaning independents shamed them into it.

Thats all nice and all, but have you seen the economic policies?

Kermit.de.frog

The teacher from Dun Loaghaire is running again.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/mary-hanafin-to-seek-ff-seat-again-but-agrees-party-is-doing-brutal-in-dublin-30203757.html

kub

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The teacher from Dun Loaghaire is running again.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/mary-hanafin-to-seek-ff-seat-again-but-agrees-party-is-doing-brutal-in-dublin-30203757.html

Poor woman is confused, she says she was 'the last man standing'.

Rightwing

FF/Labour/SF are all competing for the same vote. The welfare, OAPs and public sector.

Bad for the economy, good for the punters.

Kermit.de.frog

Did she get a big pension too?

Augmerson

Celly Smunt wrote: »

No party will offer change, there will be no change.Any change that the lefties offer will be pie in the sky change (raise the minimum wage to 13 euro?!?!, how could anyone agree with that?).

My advice to fianna fail? Be happy with the fine geal coalition in the next run around, compete from within.

When are people going to wake up - there is no left in this country. Labour party is center right. People before Profit is center at best. There hasn't been a Socialist element in politics in this country since Jim Larkin. They are either right, center right or just populist.

goose2005

But what's the point of Fianna Fáil? What are they actually trying to achieve, or is winning elections an end in itself, and it's like asking why a team would want to win the All-Ireland? A long time ago they used to be vaguely republican, but no so much as to do anything about it. Then they were sort-of freemarketeers, but with big handouts to buy votes with. But what's the point of them? What ideologies or social groups do they represent? If they disbanded, would anyone outside the party really be affected?

EyeSight

man up and apologize for what they did. then clearly outline how they will change

Stavros Murphy

"Lots done, more to do". I took that to mean they hadn't managed to stroke the few quid old Matty Brennan has hidden under his settle, but that they had got everything else that was going.

DublinWriter

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

It got me thinking what would Fianna Fáil have to do to get your vote at the next election?

They'll re-run the 1977 campaign - abolish rates (water charges and property tax) and sail in with a massive majority. You heard it here first.

Banjoxed

goose2005 wrote: »

But what's the point of Fianna Fáil? What are they actually trying to achieve, or is winning elections an end in itself, and it's like asking why a team would want to win the All-Ireland? A long time ago they used to be vaguely republican, but no so much as to do anything about it. Then they were sort-of freemarketeers, but with big handouts to buy votes with. But what's the point of them? What ideologies or social groups do they represent? If they disbanded, would anyone outside the party really be affected?

Ha ha, they represent themselves and their pals. Always have, always will.

Stavros Murphy

DublinWriter wrote: »

They'll re-run the 1977 campaign - abolish rates (water charges and property tax) and sail in with a massive majority. You heard it here first.

Sounds like a good tactic. Those few promises would win it, simple as, probably with an "all is forgiven" landslide. Are ya paying attention Martin??

323

OK let me get this straight

C. Haughey, stole money from his own Party, tapped the telephones of journalists and wreaked havoc on the Irish economy,

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Don't they deserve another chance? Doesn't everyone deserve another chance?

enter his protégé, Bertie Ahern, outdid his mentor when it comes to economic havoc.

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Don't they deserve another chance? Doesn't everyone deserve another chance? Micheál Martin seems like a nice fella.

Yet another Haughey protégé


Sure weren't Charlie and Bertie nice fellas too.

SEPT 23 1989

cabledude

Fianna Fails best bet is to bring back Bertie. After all, when he was in charge, things were grand. The boom got boomier. Then people started to talk down the economy and they upset the Apple tart. And then the media came after him in their usual style of 'smokes and daggers'

Bring back Da Bert. Lots done, more to do..



On a more serious note, as long as FF keep Martin in place as leader, they will never recover. The stunt last week with Ahern slagging him off backfired. No one believed it.

pragmatic1

Don't bother, you've done enough damage.

Sh1tbag OToole

cabledude wrote: »

Fianna Fails best bet is to bring back Bertie. After all, when he was in charge, things were grand. The boom got boomier. Then people started to talk down the economy and they upset the Apple tart. And then the media came after him in their usual style of 'smokes and daggers'

Bring back Da Bert. Lots done, more to do..



On a more serious note, as long as FF keep Martin in place as leader, they will never recover. The stunt last week with Ahern slagging him off backfired. No one believed it.

If he sent a breakfast roll voucher to every house we'd all be suckin diesel again. We'd pahdee like its 2006

cabledude

Sh1tbag OToole wrote: »

If he sent a breakfast roll voucher to every house we'd all be suckin diesel again. We'd pahdee like its 2006

Once upon a time, when the country was running a budget surplus, it is something that they may have considered.

Today, they are no longer in power. So, any stunts they attempt to buy elections will have to be paid out of FF's own party funds. FF are broke. Almost as broke as they left the country.......

Zebra3

I don't need to give FF any tips. They're fully aware of the stupidity of a large section of the Irish electorate.

They destroyed this country and have shafted future generations with private banking debt and there's still people who vote for them or who will consider voting for them.

Wtf? :rolleyes:

Karl Stein

Yes, the tip of a bayonet.

Sh1tbag OToole

cabledude wrote: »

Once upon a time, when the country was running a budget surplus, it is something that they may have considered.

Today, they are no longer in power. So, any stunts they attempt to buy elections will have to be paid out of FF's own party funds. FF are broke. Almost as broke as they left the country.......

Well they could play up the whole breakfast roll black market thing, so if these vouchers can only be redeemed with a registered qualified breakfast roll vendor who is a member of a closed shop breakfast roll traders guild they will somehow be able to find money for it just like FinneGwale did with the home improvement grant despite being 200bn in debt and counting

Stained Class

A lot done, more to do. for the boys!

Averil Power seems like a decent person. And I'm sure there are some in the younger generation who would be at least semi-competent.
But FF have zero credibility while they are still led by a man who was a cabinet minister in the government that ballsed up the country. Tear down the old guard, allow fresh blood to take over and aim to emulate Lemass rather than Haughey or Ahern. Then they might be some way credible again.

How likely is that to happen? Probably not very.

thebaz

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

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Does Fianna Fáil represent the best hope for change?

Fianna Fail represents everything that is rotten in Ireland today - can not believe anyone would vote for them or align themselves with the party of Haughey, Bertie & Cowen.

Our present lot aren't great, but are still about a 1,000 times better than the alternative.

usersame

"Fianna Fail, an alternative that's not Sinn Fein"

smurgen

Ya,give up!I hate everything about them.opportunistic scumbags with no substance.

demanufactured

Yep.....**** off !

Cantremember

1. wait for the inevitable preprogrammed FG LAB collapse through ineptitude
2. Wait for the alternatives to be revealed as out of their depth crypto fascists
3. Get lots of new faces
4. Keep working the spin that there was no alternative and we all partied ( thanks Enda ya gob****e)
5. Blame da Bert
6. Blame da Bert
7. Make reasonable criticisms
8. Pretend to listen to people
9. Steal ideas from others that connect with new demographics
10. Blame da Bert
11. Get da Bert to criticise current leadership ( tick )
12. Work your ass off in the local constituency
13. Get power
14. Business as usual
Did I mention blame da Bert?