Branagan Cup 2014

mikhail

There's a notice on www.leinsterchess.com about these competitions, with a deadline for entry of Friday 25th.

We might use this thread for posting results once they're under way.

cdeb

Twenty quid a team again, I assume?

mikhail

cdeb wrote: »

Twenty quid a team again, I assume?

Yes, that's been confirmed.

L1m1tless

Today is the last day to enter a team, so if you are planning on doing it, the time is now!

L1m1tless

Updated 28/4/2014 to include minor changes

Group A
Mon 12/05/2014
Elm Mount - Dun Laoghaire

Thur 8/05/2014
Phibsboro - Rathmines

Thur 22/05/2014
Phibsboro - Elm Mount

Mon 26/05/2014
Rathmines - Dun Laoghaire

Wed 4/06/2014
Dun Laoghaire - Phibsboro

Mon 9/06/2014
Elm Mount - Rathmines

Group B
Sat 10/05/2014
Gonzaga - Celbridge

Sat 17/05/2014
Balbriggan - Gonzaga

Sat 7/06/2014
Celbridge - Balbriggan

Group C
Wed 7/05/2014
Bray/Greystones - Inchicore

Wed 21/05/2014
Benildus - Bray/Greystones

Thur 5/06/2014
Inchicore - Benildus

mikhail

A minor update will go out tonight.

mikhail

Updated. Celbridge-Balbriggan moved to Sat 7/06/2014 as Balbriggan are a country club. Phibsboro's home matches corrected to Mondays.


Group A

Fixtures
Mon 12/05/2014 Elm Mount - Dun Laoghaire
Mon 12/05/2014 Phibsboro - Rathmines
Mon 26/05/2014 Phibsboro - Elm Mount
Mon 26/05/2014 Rathmines - Dun Laoghaire
Wed 4/06/2014 Dun Laoghaire - Phibsboro
Mon 9/06/2014 Elm Mount - Rathmines


Group B

Sat 10/05/2014 Gonzaga - Celbridge
Sat 17/05/2014 Balbriggan - Gonzaga
Sat 7/06/2014 Celbridge - Balbriggan


Group C

Wed 7/05/2014 Bray/Greystones - Inchicore
Wed 21/05/2014 Benildus - Bray/Greystones
Thur 5/06/2014 Inchicore - Benildus

mikhail

In news that will be met with mixed responses, the Branagan (and indeed the other cups) will not be FIDE rated this year.

Unfortunately, they should have been registered even before I was told I would be running them. If I'd known, I could have registered them immediately and postponed the first round by a week, but I only learned they hadn't been registered on the weekend.

Irish Warrior

Bray 4 - 2 Inchicore

cdeb

Bit of a surprise. Was it a full strength Bray team?

I know from last year that Heidenfeld teams aren't expected to get 2 points from top half Armstrong teams.

mikhail

cdeb wrote: »

Bit of a surprise. Was it a full strength Bray team?

I know from last year that Heidenfeld teams aren't expected to get 2 points from top half Armstrong teams.

No, not full strength; their expected score was about 4.3 or so.

Irish Warrior

cdeb wrote: »

Bit of a surprise. Was it a full strength Bray team?

I know from last year that Heidenfeld teams aren't expected to get 2 points from top half Armstrong teams.

They had one 2000, three 1800's and two 1600's.

EnPassant

Elm Mount 4 Dun Laoghaire 2

macelligott

Phibsboro 6-0 Rathmines
It seems Rathmines fielded only 5 players due to a late withdrawal and also had a very weak team.

mikhail

I finally have all of the round 1 results (or at least one team's report of them).

Group A
Phibsboro     1   6
Elm Mount     1   4
Dun Laoghaire 1   2
Rathmines     1   0

Group B
Gonzaga    2   7.5
Celbridge  1   3
Balbriggan 1   1.5

Group C
Bray/Greystones  1   4
Inchicore        1   2
St Benildus      0   0

cdeb

St Benildus 2½-3½ Bray/Greystones

Had winning positions in the two we lost apparently. But then maybe should have lost one of the ones we drew.

Upshot is that Inchicore are mathematically out of it, and we need to beat Inchicore 5½-½ to top the group, though 5-1 may be enough for the best runner-up spot.

mikhail

cdeb wrote: »

But then maybe should have lost one of the ones we drew.

Yep. In the position below (I've had to estimate the move number), White rejected 25.Ne8+
25...Kg8 26.Qg7#
25...Kh7 26.Qg7#
25...Kh6 26.Qh8+ Kg5 27.h4+ Kg4 28.Nf6#
The line that bothered him was
25...Kf8 26.Qxe6 Rb7. I think he underestimated his chances here, but he was down to a few minutes and thought this other line was safer. The game continued:
25.Nd7+ Kg8 26.Nxb8 Rxb8 27.Qxc5 Rc8 28.Qg5 Rxc2+ 29.Rxc2 Qxc2+ 30.Kg1 Qxd3 31.Qd8+ Kg7 32.Qf6+ and white settled for perpetual check. I don't think he has anything more, and time was a factor by now.

prey

@cdeb
re 'Upshot is that Inchicore are mathematically out of it' - think your sums are off, should Inchicore take you out 6-0 (a possibility you may not have considered) then they top the group
@mikhail
pls clarify 'best runner-up spot' - eg am guessing results v last team in group A discounted like the soccer qualifiers, next tiebreak?

cdeb

prey wrote: »

@cdeb
re 'Upshot is that Inchicore are mathematically out of it' - think your sums are off, should Inchicore take you out 6-0 (a possibility you may not have considered) then they top the group

You're right actually, yep! Good spot.

Group A's runner-up's results against the bottom team are discounted for the best runner-up tie-break. Not sure what separates teams after that.

mikhail

Given my own club might be in that situation, I should clarify it in advance. I don't see provision for it in the existing rules (where tie-breaks assume the two teams have met, which isn't the case here), so I'll have to make something up.

For simplicity, I propose that in the event of a tie for best runner up, the results of the board 6s on each team will be discarded. If there remains a tie, the board 5s results are discarded, etc. Finally, if we are still unable to separate the teams, a coin toss or die roll or other appropriate random event will break the tie. Naturally, this would take place with an independent witness.

ishidaogo

If Inchicore 6-0 they overtake Bray..

macelligott

Phibsboro 2.5 - 3.5 Elm Mount Monday 26/05/2014

mikhail

Standings

Group A
Phibsboro        2   8.5
Elm Mount        2   7.5
Dun Laoghaire    2   6.5
Rathmines        2   1.5

Group B
Gonzaga          2   7.5
Celbridge        1   3
Balbriggan       1   1.5

Group C
Bray/Greystones  2   7.5
St Benildus      1   2.5
Inchicore        1   2

cdeb

Benildus 4-2 Inchicore.

So I guess the best runner-up won't be us. We need Celbridge to score 3 or less against Balbriggan while Balbriggan score 4½ or less in the same game and - assuming Rathmines end up bottom of group A - we need Elm Mount to win that group, and then Phibsboro to score 3½ or less and Dún Laoghaire to score 4 or less in their match against each other. If any of those teams scores a half point more, we're into tie-breaks, and I've no idea how we stand there.

All plausible individually. But you'd imagine one of the teams is going to pip us somewhere.

Dún Laoghaire v Phibsboro was played on Wednesday actually; any score? Celbridge v Balbriggan is on Saturday and Elm Mount v Rathmines is on on Monday.

EnPassant

cdeb wrote: »

Benildus 4-2 Inchicore.

So I guess the best runner-up won't be us. We need Celbridge to score 3 or less against Balbriggan while Balbriggan score 4½ or less in the same game and - assuming Rathmines end up bottom of group A - we need Elm Mount to win that group, and then Phibsboro to score 3½ or less and Dún Laoghaire to score 4 or less in their match against each other. If any of those teams scores a half point more, we're into tie-breaks, and I've no idea how we stand there.

All plausible individually. But you'd imagine one of the teams is going to pip us somewhere.

Dún Laoghaire v Phibsboro was played on Wednesday actually; any score? Celbridge v Balbriggan is on Saturday and Elm Mount v Rathmines is on on Monday.

I believe Phibsboro won 4.5 to 1.5.

I think that means runner-up in group A will have either 7 or 7.5 points.

cdeb

Phibsboro beat Dún Laoghaire 4½-1½, so we're out.

macelligott

Does anyone know the result of Celbridge v Balbriggan ?

macelligott

Celbridge 3.5 - 2.5 Balbriggan

macelligott

Elm Mount 4-2 Rathmines

cdeb

So that's Bray, Phibsboro, Elm Mount and Gonzaga in the semis I think?

mikhail

Final Group Standings

Group A
Phibsboro*       13
Elm Mount^       11.5
Dun Laoghaire    8
Rathmines        3.5

Group B
Gonzaga*         7.5
Celbridge        6.5
Balbriggan       4

Group C
Bray/Greystones* 7.5
St Benildus      6.5
Inchicore        4

*Qualified for the semi-finals as group winners.
^Qualified for the semi-finals as best runner up (discarding result vs Rathmines, Elm Mount have 7.5 points).

Semi-finals:
Wed 25/06 Bray/Greystones - Elm Mount
Sat 21/06 Gonzaga - Phibsboro

[Elm Mount away as best second; Elm Mount and Phibsboro kept seperate; coin flip decided opponent of Elm Mount; coin flip decided who is home in second match.]

EnPassant

Elm Mount beat Bray 4.5 to 1.5.

Gonzaga won the other semi-final.

EnPassant

Elm Mount beat Gonzaga 3.5 to 2.5 to win the Branagan Cup last night for the 4th year in a row.

The match was played in Elm Mount's home venue in Drumcondra.

mikhail

The Branagan's been rated. Let me know if there are any mistakes: I was dumb enough not to think about rating reporting beforehand, so wound up having to write the entire file by hand, which is more prone to error.