Shooting deer with a shotgun slug

Deerspotter

I live in a rural / residential area - as in the houses are about 100m apart with large gardens and or field between the houses.
I know deer are out of season right now, but there is a deer problem in the area.
They are destroying vedg gardens and young tree plantations.
Given the housing situation, could a person apply for a section 42 to shoot the deer out of season with shotgun slugs? As in, with a safe backstop they'd still be safer than a high powerd rifle?
Only to be used from a highstand in a particular direction where there is no housing?

garv123

Deerspotter wrote: »

I live in a rural / residential area - as in the houses are about 100m apart with large gardens and or field between the houses.
I know deer are out of season right now, but there is a deer problem in the area.
They are destroying vedg gardens and young tree plantations.
Given the housing situation, could a person apply for a section 42 to shoot the deer out of season with shotgun slugs? As in, with a safe backstop they'd still be safer than a high powerd rifle?
Only to be used from a highstand in a particular direction where there is no housing?

No still illegal to hunt deer with a shotgun and a shotgun slug would be no safer than a high powered rifle if there was a safe backstop.

Deerspotter

Thanks, thought as much. Just wondered was there a way!

garv123

Deerspotter wrote: »

Thanks, thought as much. Just wondered was there a way!

And if if wasn't you'd need to reply for a restricted licence to buy and use slugs.

juice1304

As said you need a restricted shotgun to buy slugs. And if it were a case of it being legal, I wouldn't use slugs in that situation, they could ricochet and they have alot of mass.

cookimonster

If the deer are a problem, the individuals concerned, i.e. land owner etc may apply for a sec 42 and nominate a stalker to deal with the deer.
There would be plenty here who would be happy to help out.

juice1304

cookimonster wrote: »

There would be plenty here who would be happy to help out.

Including me, LoL. .308, 30-30 at the ready and fully insured. :P:D:pac::pac:

EWQuinn

Hopefully well meaning people are not intentionally feeding them. Where I come from that was a problem, things got out of hand as predators started following in, and then pets started vanishing. Easier targets, go figure.

PL05

cookimonster wrote: »

If the deer are a problem, the individuals concerned, i.e. land owner etc may apply for a sec 42 and nominate a stalker to deal with the deer.
There would be plenty here who would be happy to help out.

Are we all prerared to put a high seats in gardens in houseing estates,. nah, OP, get a dog and train it to chase them off. F??k sake are we running out of land?

juice1304

That would be illegal.

PL05

juice1304 wrote: »

That would be illegal.

True. But would it not be better than shooting them out of season or another stupid reason for a section 42. By the way i was,nt suggesting that a dog be used to hunt them, just to run them off the land/ who are we kidding? the garding that they are in.

PL05

juice1304 wrote: »

Including me, LoL. .308, 30-30 at the ready and fully insured. :P:D:pac::pac:

And by the way using a .308 or 30-30 within a 100 m of a residence is,nt exactly legal either.

cookimonster

Deerspotter wrote: »

I live in a rural / residential area - as in the houses are about 100m apart with large gardens and or field between the houses.....

PL05, I shoot on 3 permissions where houses back onto the fields frequented by deer. In the Dublin and Wicklow foot hills you can't cross a field with out being in sight of a residential property. So I would pursume the OP is in the same postion and if so why not have the opertunity to legally hunt them, under a section or in season.

Chiparus

PL05 wrote: »

And by the way using a .308 or 30-30 within a 100 m of a residence is,nt exactly legal either.

Really? did not know that, I have shot with in 150 mts of a back garden ( safe direction) is that legal?

garv123

PL05 wrote: »

And by the way using a .308 or 30-30 within a 100 m of a residence is,nt exactly legal either.

Do you like to make up your own laws?

Grizzly 45

juice1304 wrote: »

As said you need a restricted shotgun to buy slugs. And if it were a case of it being legal, I wouldn't use slugs in that situation, they could ricochet and they have alot of mass.

Nope! You can apply for a restricted liscense to purchase slugs only.However that's the way the very oddly worded legislation would let you belive.However whether the liscense is granted is another matter.As deer hunting or aSFIK using them for any competitions here isnt kosher.
Guess numerous states in the US got it wrong in only allowing slugs to be used in or around urban areas then for deer hunting. They start losing power very rapidly and are only a close range round that you are pushing to reach anything past 100 meters.

meathstevie

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Nope! You can apply for a restricted liscense to purchase slugs only.However that's the way the very oddly worded legislation would let you belive.However whether the liscense is granted is another matter.As deer hunting or aSFIK using them for any competitions here isnt kosher.
Guess numerous states in the US got it wrong in only allowing slugs to be used in or around urban areas then for deer hunting. They start losing power very rapidly and are only a close range round that you are pushing to reach anything past 100 meters.

Absolutely with you on this one, slugs are great for short distances and don't travel far compared to any centerfire rifle round. In a way a lot like a musket ball, fairly accurate and plenty of power over very limited distance.

PL05

cookimonster wrote: »

PL05, I shoot on 3 permissions where houses back onto the fields frequented by deer. In the Dublin and Wicklow foot hills you can't cross a field with out being in sight of a residential property. So I would pursume the OP is in the same postion and if so why not have the opertunity to legally hunt them, under a section or in season.

Not trying to be funny with you lad, but if we all went by the book as in sending in all our permissions in to the NPWS. Do you seriously think that they would give the go ahead to shoot from someones back garden.

PL05

garv123 wrote: »

Do you like to make up your own laws?

Not at all. But if i could i,d probably start with cutting down on section 42,s [Big time] and then we,ll see where we go from there.

meathstevie

PL05 wrote: »

Not trying to be funny with you lad, but if we all went by the book as in sending in all our permissions in to the NPWS. Do you seriously think that they would give the go ahead to shoot from someones back garden.

I'll give you one better, my licence is granted on the basis of one permission. A 350 acre residential farm in county Meath bordered by dwellings and public roads on three sides. Ranger came out to have a look at it alright but after a walk around the property and a chat about do's and don'ts all was hunky dory.

PL05

meathstevie wrote: »

I'll give you one better, my licence is granted on the basis of one permission. A 350 acre residential farm in county Meath bordered by dwellings and public roads on three sides. Ranger came out to have a look at it alright but after a walk around the property and a chat about do's and don'ts all was hunky dory.

Fair play. As i said earlier, not trying to be funny. But just dont agree with 42,s been given out willy nilly. Dont get me wrong, i,ve had some dodgy permissions over the years, dont have now, but when i did, i was never comfortable shooting on them. I suppose in the present climate, a chap cant be blamed for grabing any permission he can. Having said that, i think culling deer should be kept within the season and there should be no section 42,s. Just my opinion.

cookimonster

Deerspotter wrote: »

I live in a rural / residential area - as in the houses are about 100m apart with large gardens and or field between the houses.
I know deer are out of season right now, but there is a deer problem in the area.
They are destroying vedg gardens and young tree plantations.
Given the housing situation, could a person apply for a section 42 to shoot the deer out of season with shotgun slugs? As in, with a safe backstop they'd still be safer than a high powerd rifle?
Only to be used from a highstand in a particular direction where there is no housing?

PL05,
You seem to seem to be missing the point, there is no mention of shooting deer in the back garden, the OP makes a reasonable assumption of using slugs for safety around houses, I assume the control would be done in the surrounding fields.
My comments are to inform the OP of his options and the realistic use of deer legal calibres around rural residential areas.
I know of several sections that are granted around rural communities, NPWS are more concerned about the deer cull. My first permission was on a billard table of a tillage farm surrounded by houses and riding centre off one boundary, a ranger checked it out and I got my permission. No question on safety issues.