Tricolour at Market Square.

Nesta99

Ive heard that Dundalk Town Council have requested that the National flag erected by Sein Fein as part of the Easter commerations is to be removed as there has been no permission sought to erect any banner, posters, flags etc.

Id be interested in what people think. Personally I feel that in this instance that protocols on flying the flag in this regard should suffice ie is only flown from sunrise to sunset on the day in question.

paragraph 13/14 of the following guidelines

http://www.taoiseach.gov.ie/upload/publications/1104.pdf

I have been irked in the past when these Tricolours have been erected for easter and then left until they disintegrate thus being disrespectful to our national flag that was being flown in rememberance of 1916 - those same people who fly them have the same responsibility to show respect and remove them as appropriate.

I know that to many the symbolism attached to flags on this island is crazy but as Sein Fein hold the national flag in such high esteem surely they should follow protocol?

Peter File

There has been a gigantic tricolour on the front of the Crows nest bar for the last few years, maybe the town hall staff havent noticed it yet

locum-motion

Any chance of a picture? I didn't notice any flag at the square when I was there yesterday.

tayto lover

Peter File wrote: »

There has been a gigantic tricolour on the front of the Crows nest bar for the last few years, maybe the town hall staff havent noticed it yet

AND they never took it down and washed it. :mad:

White Horse

The National Flag should be respected and not used as a political tool.

Nesta99

Peter File wrote: »

There has been a gigantic tricolour on the front of the Crows nest bar for the last few years, maybe the town hall staff havent noticed it yet

It is draped on the front of their own building. Not flying on lamp posts or sign posts for which permission is needed to put anything up. Just because it is Sein Fein and the tricolour and Easter does not mean the rules can be broken. They were told last year that in future they would have to go through the proper process - a process they chose to ignore and now feign outrage. Im pretty sure they would be calling for a process to be followed if Union flags were stuck up on poles for 12th July and would demand their removal.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

If it's against the rules then when the heck does the council not have the conviction to simply take the flag down? I abhor our national flag being used by a single political entity like this!

Nesta99

locum-motion wrote: »

Any chance of a picture? I didn't notice any flag at the square when I was there yesterday.

Nesta99

Randall Inexpensive Cornflakes wrote: »

If it's against the rules then when the heck does the council not have the conviction to simply take the flag down? I abhor our national flag being used by a single political entity like this!

Well i suppose they are, but as littering bylaws go, notice has to be given with a certain time for compliance or fines will be issued. Do you fine an individual who put them up, or an organisatin, what organisation exactly and possibly fining some sitting members of the council. Taking them down without due process wouldnt be much different from putting them up without due process

10green bottles

Thank god Ireland aren't in the World cup this year or those 'presidents rules' would be well and truly fuc*ed

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Nesta99 wrote: »

Well i suppose they are, but as littering bylaws go, notice has to be given with a certain time for compliance or fines will be issued. Do you fine an individual who put them up, or an organisatin, what organisation exactly and possibly fining some sitting members of the council. Taking them down without due process wouldnt be much different from putting them up without due process

You might as well say that litter dumped had to be left in place until fines are issued etc. The littering by laws allow for them to be removed immediately. There is no due course for the removal of items contravening the littering laws. It can also be removed without notice as it is attached to a public lighting standard which is council property.

Nesta99

In this circumstance is it not closer to election posters situation or conditions rather than fly tipping?

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Nesta99 wrote: »

In this circumstance is it not closer to election posters situation or conditions rather than fly tipping?

It's covered by the littering laws but the same applies if election posters were put up illegally.

locum-motion

Nesta99 wrote: »

Thanks.

I was curious because I was wondering what colour it would be - People of a certain political persuasion have a tendency to use a watery kind of yellow rather than the correct orange for our Flag.

The Flag should be flown from an appropriate staff, mast or flagpole, and it should be flown from the top of it (unless being flown at half-mast to signify mourning), not halfway up a lamppost.

Very disrespectful to the Flag.

dundalkfc10

locum-motion wrote: »

Thanks.

I was curious because I was wondering what colour it would be - People of a certain political persuasion have a tendency to use a watery kind of yellow rather than the correct orange for our Flag.

The Flag should be flown from an appropriate staff, mast or flagpole, and it should be flown from the top of it (unless being flown at half-mast to signify mourning), not halfway up a lamppost.

Very disrespectful to the Flag.

Its only a Flag

Nesta99

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Its only a Flag

Great! Sein Fein and their ilk wont have a problem with them being removed so. :rolleyes:

10green bottles

Just checked all the pubs in Dundalk *hic*. No flags flying from staffs,masts or flagpoles,most are just blue tacked up behind bars or stuck in windows or draped on a seat or around human necks.

The flags quoted in Nestas photo have been removed.

FFS what a load of crap from all involved and i include SF in this sentence.

Next Soccer or Rugby WC,get them flags flying but just make sure they're attachted to the proper flag flying equipment or we'll all be back here again! :eek:

locum-motion

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Its only a Flag

It is the very symbol upon which this nation was founded. A symbol which says "We know that this nation is made up of different people with wildly different political and religious ideologies, but those ideologies are all welcome here, where we shall endeavour to have peace between them." It is a symbol that means something, and it should be respected.

Oh, and by the way... if it's "only a Flag", why did you capitalise it?

ardle1

locum-motion wrote: »

Thanks.

I was curious because I was wondering what colour it would be - People of a certain political persuasion have a tendency to use a watery kind of yellow rather than the correct orange for our Flag.

The Flag should be flown from an appropriate staff, mast or flagpole, and it should be flown from the top of it (unless being flown at half-mast to signify mourning), not halfway up a lamppost.

Very disrespectful to the Flag.

Well if we'r talking about disrespect here... Then I think taking it down would be the out-right loser!

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

ardle1 wrote: »

Well if we'r talking about disrespect here... Then I think taking it down would be the out-right loser!

Quite the contrary! Leaving your national flag hanging halfway up a lighting column is total disrespect. It must be flown at full mast on a flag pole and taken down at night!

ardle1

Randall Inexpensive Cornflakes wrote: »

Quite the contrary! Leaving your national flag hanging halfway up a lighting column is total disrespect. It must be flown at full mast on a flag pole and taken down at night!

Ok fair point, so maybe they should be asked 'nicely' to hoist our flag to full mast preferably on a suitable pole and to lower at night!!
Anyway the Tri-Colour has been taken down now, some of you will be pleased to hear.....

tayto lover

ardle1 wrote: »

Ok fair point, so maybe they should be asked 'nicely' to hoist our flag to full mast preferably on a suitable pole and to lower at night!!
Anyway the Tri-Colour has been taken down now, some of you will be pleased to hear.....

There's loads of them all the way out to the cemetery and they're all at half-mast. I thought some statesman had died recently.

Nesta99

The ceremony at the Republican plot where the Flag is lowered to half mast and the flown again should suffice. It not as if there is need to make a symbolic territorial claim in Dundalk, i'm sure we all firmly know what Country we are in. I really thought SF would have had a greater respect for the Flag as such an important symbol to the organisation. Maybe they will from now on?

MugMugs

Nesta99 wrote: »

Maybe they will from now on?

I wouldn't go counting chickens Nesta

MugMugs

Saw another one on Bridge Street half mast in a lamp post this morning.

10green bottles

MugMugs wrote: »

Saw another one on Bridge Street half mast in a lamp post this morning.

Don't believe you!! Gas! :rolleyes:

dundalkfc10

There does be hundreds of them about Dromiskin if St Jospehs get to a final, Should these be removed when put up too?

Nesta99

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

There does be hundreds of them about Dromiskin if St Jospehs get to a final, Should these be removed when put up too?

Are they put up for political purposes? If so then yes!

ardle1

I wont frequent this 'thread' after this post....
I'm sick and disgusted at some off the posters on this thread, supposedly looking for respect for our National Flag the Beautiful Tri-Colour, if you(you know who you are)had any respect or love at all for our flag, then you would be grateful to Sinn Féin(or anyone) for flying the flag under 'any' circumstances! but no,, you chose to be-little and condescend with your words and explanations off how a National Flag should be flown. .... I can only hazard a guess that said 'people' would ban the Tri-Colour from the jerseys off our National Team!! don't bombard me with political cods-wallop when you read this post.... The flags where flown for Easter for people to admire on their way to the cemetery(dowdalls-hill graveyard) and to respect the Falling off 1916..... you can call it political or you can call it what you want, but if that's the case! you should remember the actual whole meaning off a National Flag is political!! Anyway I say fair play to Sinn Féin....

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Eh, ok.!
Not much point making accusations and ranting on nothing but assumptions, then bolting for the hills so nobody can refute the scandalous nonsense.
Typical and not surprising I suppose.
If you change your mind and do frequent the thread again, please let me know as I have plenty to say about the disrespect for our flag and will do so from my usual apolitical perspective.

Dunny

Jaysus some people just love to give out! Its your national flag and commemorating the lives of so many who fought for the country we have today!!!

Should be fun on here in 2016..

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Spin it any way you like, but nobody here has said we should not honour our dead. And more importantly we support honouring our national flag. Those that stuck our flag at half mast on lighting columns and did not take our national flag down at dusk are the ones who do it , our dead, and us a disservice. The principle of commeration is very laudable but the ignorance of how such commeration is marked was the issue.
It is not about if the flags should be flown or not. Far from it. It's about the way it was done.

10green bottles

Randall Inexpensive Cornflakes wrote: »

Spin it any way you like, but nobody here has said we should not honour our dead. And more importantly we support honouring our national flag. Those that stuck our flag at half mast on lighting columns and did not take our national flag down at dusk are the ones who do it , our dead, and us a disservice. The principle of commeration is very laudable but the ignorance of how such commeration is marked was the issue.
It is not about if the flags should be flown or not. Far from it. It's about the way it was done.

Apolitical ?

Anyway "yawn"
Everythings down bar some high horses and the flag is not flittered on a flagpole as some claimed.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

10green bottles wrote: »

Apolitical?.

Absolutely. I have no allegiance to any political party. This issue with the flags has nothing to do with politics for me. I don't know, nor care, who put them up but I abhor how it was done.

10green bottles

Randall Inexpensive Cornflakes wrote: »

Absolutely. I have no allegiance to any political party. This issue with the flags has nothing to do with politics for me. I don't know, nor care, who put them up but I abhor how it was done.

GRMA,you just filled my bingo card
Abhor indeed.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

10green bottles wrote: »

GRMA,you just filled my bingo card
Abhor indeed.

GRMA? Sorry you lost me there! Some youth thing or other perhaps. But you're very welcome.:)

I haven't played bingo since the mid 50s.

10green bottles

Randall Inexpensive Cornflakes wrote: »

GRMA? Sorry you lost me there! Some youth thing or other perhaps. But you're very welcome.:)

I haven't played bingo since the mid 50s.

K fisherman

Dunny

Lads its getting worse than the "flegs" issue up north like move on.....

TireeTerror

The tri colour flag is absolutely revolting to look at. The green one with the harp on it is much nicer looking by a long way. I never understood why people in Ireland started flying that tri monstrosity.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

TireeTerror wrote: »

The tri colour flag is absolutely revolting to look at. The green one with the harp on it is much nicer looking by a long way. I never understood why people in Ireland started flying that tri monstrosity.

Maybe because it is our official national flag? Are you serious?

The green flag with a harp is the flag of the 17th century Confederacy of Ireland and an unofficial naval jack of Ireland during the 18th and 19th century. It ceased in 1916.

If the flag you mean has silver strings in the harp then it is the Naval Jack of Ireland and appropriate only to naval vessels and institutions.

TireeTerror

I am serious. The tricolour is an ugly flag and whenever I see it, it reminds me of football hooligans.

When I think of Ireland, in my mind I think of culture and history and hundreds of miles of lush green pastures. When I see the green flag with the harp, to me it better represents all of those things.

This is the flag I mean. http://www.ultimateflags.com/images/P/erin-go-bragh-ireland-flag.jpg

BTW Im not saying this for any reason other than what the flag looks like and what it represents to me. I couldn't care less about any political meaning behind either flag.

10green bottles

TireeTerror wrote: »

I am serious. The tricolour is an ugly flag and whenever I see it, it reminds me of football hooligans.

Tell me more.

TireeTerror

I am sure you can work it out for yourself, all of the Old Firm garbage. You know, Scottish people waving an Irish flag for some reason as if it means something to them, in the same way Scottish people fly the Union Jack, its pathetic. The same in Northern Ireland, all of that utter drivel from uneducated morons stuck in the past. It is embarrassing really.

TopBombing

TireeTerror wrote: »

I am sure you can work it out for yourself, all of the Old Firm garbage. You know, Scottish people waving an Irish flag for some reason as if it means something to them, in the same way Scottish people fly the Union Jack, its pathetic. The same in Northern Ireland, all of that utter drivel from uneducated morons stuck in the past. It is embarrassing really.

Suffering Jesus!!

:eek:

TireeTerror

TopBombing wrote: »

Suffering Jesus!!

:eek:

Jesus is fictitious nonsense as well.

It is time you embraced science and the true reality of life.

Nesta99

Ok say we lose the Tricolour and change to the flag you refer to - no chance it would never appear at a football match like?!?!

TireeTerror

Nesta99 wrote: »

Ok say we lose the Tricolour and change to the flag you refer to - no chance it would never appear at a football match like?!?!

Of course there is every chance that flag would be dragged into the mire, the muppets at these matches would latch onto anything they could use to cause trouble. In the meantime, I will still think "scumbag" everytime I see one.

Nesta99

Well I suppose the common notion here is the abuse or sullying of the National Flag. It has been used as a political tool or as a way to antagonise and I suppose Glasgow is an appropriate example. Scumbags of a far more sinister type than football fans have disgraced our Tricolour love it or loathe it. But your association between the flag and football hooligan is unfortunate. Lets hope there aren't too many who associate it with terror!

mada999

I think there should be tricolours everywhere, tbh i love the little ones on street lamps and the like... as someone else said, the "council" have missed the biggest one flying across the road from the town hall...

TopBombing

On the subject of flags, is it true that the Town Council have told shopkeepers not to fly Dundalk FC flags ahead of the Setanta Cup Final, and instead they are only permitted to fly Pink flags (which they have also partially funded) in honour of the Giro D'Italia passing through?

Nesta99

TopBombing wrote: »

On the subject of flags, is it true that the Town Council have told shopkeepers not to fly Dundalk FC flags ahead of the Setanta Cup Final, and instead they are only permitted to fly Pink flags (which they have also partially funded) in honour of the Giro D'Italia passing through?

As a very large proportion of business cant or wont pay the council rates I doubt they would take demands on putting up pink bunting or not putting up Dundalk flags. The council dont have the power to only 'permit' what is to be flown on the business's building (crowes next) as opposed to lamp posts.