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It's about free speech, he says...

  • 13-04-2014 10:39am
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,681 ✭✭✭bodice ripper


    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/ive-been-put-on-trial-over-my-beliefs-30180643.html
    "What is the great crime in taking money off the state broadcaster?" he asked, in an interview near his holiday home in Sligo town yesterday.

    "Let me tell you this, if this had gone on, it isn't €40,000, I would have got €4m out of RTE."

    Mr Waters also took the opportunity to reinforce his stance on gay marriage and adoption.

    "This is about free speech. It is about the rights of people to speak about what is important without being demonised," he said.


    What an ass. I'd say this keen observer of the human condition expects this interview will help his situation.

    In addition to the gays, and the tax payer, he has a go at the depressed:
    Asked if he had become depressed as a result of the national backlash, he said, "I don't believe in depression. There's no such thing. It's an invention. It's bull****," he said, "it's a cop out."



    How much to we have to pay him to emigrate?


Comments

  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,533 ✭✭✭Donkey Oaty


    Have they cut his statement short? Should have read:
    "This is about free speech. It is about the rights of people to speak about what is important without being demonised, although this obviously does not apply to people like Panti," he said.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 587 ✭✭✭sillyoulfool


    So nobody loves the homophobic prick anymore, boo feckin hoo.
    I see he is still defending his highly homophobic and insulting views and the incitful language that he uses to articulate them.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,548 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    How come he wasn't happy allowing Panti free speech? Free speech generally involves the potential for your views to be demonised John...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭shruikan2553


    "Its about free speech but if it about me I expect money from it"

    Not really free speech if he only allows himself to have it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,942 ✭✭✭20Cent


    A lot of these conservative types seem to think criticism of their views is shutting them up. Ironically they have much more access to the media than most people.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,812 ✭✭✭✭evolving_doors


    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/ive-been-put-on-trial-over-my-beliefs-30180643.html




    What an ass. I'd say this keen observer of the human condition expects this interview will help his situation
    In addition to the gays, and the tax payer, he has a go at the depressed
    How much to we have to pay him to emigrate?

    I think hed like Uganda


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 504 ✭✭✭Zed Bank


    He accuses people calling him a homophobe full of hate...

    Oh the irony, it burns!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,628 ✭✭✭Femme_Fatale


    Saying he thinks depression is bullsh1t, a cop-out and an invention, despite the mountains of evidence that contradict that stance... that's what a very stupid person would say. It seems John Waters is a very stupid person. "I think", "I believe", "In my opinion" are just pointless when wrong. Meaningless. No different to saying "Well I believe the grass is purple."
    And clearly he thinks free speech should only work one way. A very self absorbed person too.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,559 ✭✭✭✭AnonoBoy


    Oh John Waters! What crazy scheme will you get up to next?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,313 ✭✭✭Molester Stallone


    Somebody should point out that we don't have free speech here in Ireland, perhaps he should go somewhere that does......


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,349 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    It's free speech until you criticise what he's saying, then it's slander.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 911 ✭✭✭Bassfish


    Loathsome little man who lives in his own little reality which he contorts to fit his narrow world.
    I remember him on newstalk last year talking about how this generation had 'given up on Ireland by emigrating' and said that his generation never emigrated because they 'believed in Ireland'. George hook pointed out that there was mass emigration in the 80s and he said 'no there wasn't, that was made up by the left wing media'.
    Must be nice to just live in your own alternate reality where you and your iona institute buddies are the persecuted minority fighting against by the liberal establishment. God I despise him!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,473 ✭✭✭Wacker The Attacker


    It's free speech until you criticise what he's saying, then it's slander.

    Not if it's true


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,628 ✭✭✭Femme_Fatale


    Bassfish wrote: »
    George hook pointed out that at there was mass emigration in the 80s and he said 'no there wasn't, that was made up by the left wing media'.
    Either mentally ill (might explain the denial of depression) or a professional troll.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,436 ✭✭✭c_man


    I was frightened almost in a metaphysical way, that people could be so full of hatred.

    Oh would you just fu(k off please.


  • Posts: 26,052 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    How much to we have to pay him to emigrate?

    I've got a fiver spare. Let's start a whip-round.

    He comes across as someone who would like to be thought of as an incisive social commentator, but he's neither intelligent nor aware enough to realise how archaic and irrelevant he and his moral philosophies are.

    I don't doubt he's genuinely bewildered at how he's become a hate figure. He really is profoundly stupid man, drunk on self-regard.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,349 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    Jesus that interview is almost offensive in its ignorance. He's a man I little time for before all of this started but now, I don't know, I honestly think he's unwell.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,848 ✭✭✭bleg


    ****


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,402 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    Have they cut his statement short? Should have read:
    Did he actually say free speech except for Panti, or us that a joke?

    ill-advised comments on depression, that's for sure


  • Posts: 0 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Journee Cool Sawhorse


    Did he actually say free speech except for Panti, or us that a joke?

    ill-advised comments on depression, that's for sure

    It was a joke I think

    Guy is odious and is starting to sound mentally unbalanced.


    DON'T SUE ME JOHN


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,628 ✭✭✭Femme_Fatale


    Did he actually say free speech except for Panti, or us that a joke?
    It's a joke but the point is, "What about free thpeech?!!" from him means "What about MY free speech?" not anyone else's.

    If his comment about depression had even an attempt to support itself, it might be something of a gateway to debate, but it was just word vomit; the equivalent of someone cycling past someone and shouting abuse at them and disappearing... which is ironically the analogy Waters himself has used to differentiate between his commentary and hate speech. He thinks he's not the cyclist; he is.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,628 ✭✭✭Femme_Fatale


    Somebody should point out that we don't have free speech here in Ireland, perhaps he should go somewhere that does......
    I don't think anywhere has.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,824 ✭✭✭vitani


    He's either delusional or just doesn't give a sh*t. Those comments on depression are going to invite a huge backlash. Maybe that's the point.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,533 ✭✭✭Donkey Oaty


    vitani wrote: »
    Those comments on depression are going to invite a huge backlash. Maybe that's the point.

    He has serious form in this area, both for his views on mental health and also for taking legal action against what some might regard as fair comment on those views.

    See here for a synopsis of his 2002 libel action over a Terry Keane Sunday Times article.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,628 ✭✭✭Femme_Fatale


    Had no time for Keane but what she said was fair comment IMO. He had already damaged himself with the shyte that she referred to. It isn't a good message to pass to your kid; particularly when it's lies.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,592 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    It's a joke but the point is, "What about free thpeech?!!" from him means "What about MY free speech?" not anyone else's.

    If his comment about depression had even an attempt to support itself, it might be something of a gateway to debate, but it was just word vomit; the equivalent of someone cycling past someone and shouting abuse at them and disappearing... which is ironically the analogy Waters himself has used to differentiate between his commentary and hate speech. He thinks he's not the cyclist; he is.

    What some people call depression might be up for debate but depression itself is undeniable.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,681 ✭✭✭bodice ripper


    I hope the criticism he gets is worth every penny he got. We may as well get money's worth...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,657 ✭✭✭brandon_flowers


    Imagine being the more mentally unstable one in a relationship with Sinead O'Connor. Holy ****-balls.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    AnonoBoy wrote: »
    Oh John Waters! What crazy scheme will you get up to next?


    Something with petrol and matches, perhaps.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Candie wrote: »
    I've got a fiver spare. Let's start a whip-round.

    He comes across as someone who would like to be thought of as an incisive social commentator, but he's neither intelligent nor aware enough to realise how archaic and irrelevant he and his moral philosophies are.

    I don't doubt he's genuinely bewildered at how he's become a hate figure. He really is profoundly stupid man, drunk on self-regard.


    That's good that is. I like you now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,940 ✭✭✭✭Rothko


    He's just an idiot and you're giving him more publicity which is probably what he wants.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,740 ✭✭✭dirtyden


    This is how someone whose opinions have grown irrelevant tries to coax an inch or two of celebrity. His faux indignation and further ridiculous comments on depression just confirms that for me.

    If we all ignore him he might just go away (although I have failed already with this post on doing that).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,789 ✭✭✭grizzly


    I'm hearing a lot of negativity here about this fine journalist, but as he's pointed out, he's saved the taxpayer €3960000 by not proceeding with his case. Shame on you all!


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