Oil fired central heating price question

andala

Hi, I'm hoping to buy a house and there was one I liked last week. However, the previous owner must have been very personally attached to it as moving out he took with himself the oil tank, the copper water cylinder and the outdoor boiler.

I know it's possibly a long shot but how much do you think replacing it all would cost? I'm looking for a rough estimate of course: 3k? 5? 10k?

It's a smallish 4bed semi. The pipes seem to be still there.

Dtp1979

andala wrote: »

Hi, I'm hoping to buy a house and there was one I liked last week. However, the previous owner must have been very personally attached to it as moving out he took with himself the oil tank, the copper water cylinder and the outdoor boiler.

I know it's possibly a long shot but how much do you think replacing it all would cost? I'm looking for a rough estimate of course: 3k? 5? 10k?

It's a smallish 4bed semi. The pipes seem to be still there.

4-5 k is say. While your at it fit an A rated condensing boiler and cylinder. Get the system flushed too. All this would be included in the 4-5k

sandydan

while you are at it get double walled steel tank( i think they're called bunded tanks) if you don't have house for tank,might stop oil suckers maybe from bursting through with tapered steel pipe with hose attached as they do with plastic tanks.cost around €1k an A rated boiler up to €1600 for an outdoor model( where all boilers should be) but you need drain for condensate as it will eat concrete. i would get heavy walled copper insulated cylinder €500, they come in two thicknesses. copper thin €400. or solar cylinder with replaceable anode for corrosion prevention around €1100.was pricing stuff lately,number of coils adds about €50 euro and all tanks insulated.

scudo2

Direct replacement if all pipes and electricty are ok.
Boiler €2300
Oil tank €700
Cylinder €500

This is a very rough idea of prices, but it will give you a bit of guidance, so you should budget for around the 4k mark.+-

Strange that the previous owner took them as it would affect price of house and would make me very suspicious.

If he loved the boiler, tank and cylinder so much it would have been handier and cheaper labour wise (and devalueing house sale) to have left them and buy new identical.
Was removal of them agreed in house sale?

andala

Thanks a million, quite a relief the figures are not around 10k

Scudo2 - he owner had his property seized by the bank and probably took all these to sell.

DGOBS

Your in Dublin I see, why not give JohnnieK (he's Dublin based if you need his number PM me) or one of the others from here a shout to pop around and give you an accurate price

andala

Thanks DGOBS but I'm not in Dublin. And the house is not mine yet. I was just trying to do the maths and see if it's worth the asking price with all that equipment gone

scudo2

sandydan wrote: »

while you are at it get double walled steel tank( i think they're called bunded tanks) if you don't have house for tank,might stop oil suckers maybe from bursting through with tapered steel pipe with hose attached as they do with plastic tanks.cost around €1k an A rated boiler up to €1600 for an outdoor model( where all boilers should be) but you need drain for condensate as it will eat concrete. i would get heavy walled copper insulated cylinder €500, they come in two thicknesses. copper thin €400. or solar cylinder with replaceable anode for corrosion prevention around €1100.was pricing stuff lately,number of coils adds about €50 euro and all tanks insulated.

It's illegal to put oil tank into a shed unless its up to, for want of better longer expenlation, (bomb proof standards) due to fire risk, full specs on OFTEC books. And that will cost a few thousand for construction.

Metal fence or cage is an option.

DGOBS

If considering indoor oil tanks, I would opt for outside underground tanks myself.

How does condensate eat concrete?

sandydan

scudo2 wrote: »

It's illegal to put oil tank into a shed unless its up to, for want of better longer expenlation, (bomb proof standards) due to fire risk, full specs on OFTEC books. And that will cost a few thousand for construction.

Metal fence or cage is an option.

point taken, well another option would be put concrete wall around tank with overhead canopy away from residence, to prevent some one driving a bar right through if unable to remove parafin , what is rule re existing tanks in sheds,is it same

richieburke01

It`s an option but as well as fire protection you must think about environment protection as well
Maybe double wall bunded steel tank might be cheaper

DGOBS

Double wall steel bunded tanks are not cheap!

Buried fiberglass tank!

richieburke01

I know what your saying but cost of digging out and proper tank that can take stress of soil around it and achor to ground as well so it won`t pop out of ground when it starts to empty
And a tiger loop to draw the oil up from below ground
Seems expensive but don`t know how much steel bunded tanks are

sandydan

andala wrote: »

Hi, I'm hoping to buy a house and there was one I liked last week. However, the previous owner must have been very personally attached to it as moving out he took with himself the oil tank, the copper water cylinder and the outdoor boiler.

I know it's possibly a long shot but how much do you think replacing it all would cost? I'm looking for a rough estimate of course: 3k? 5? 10k?

It's a smallish 4bed semi. The pipes seem to be still there.

best bet is get in engineer to check system and cost of replacing central heating system completely and adjust price accordingly . if idle for while clogging may occur in rads if not flushed out properly

agusta

sandydan wrote: »

while you are at it get double walled steel tank( i think they're called bunded tanks) if you don't have house for tank,might stop oil suckers maybe from bursting through with tapered steel pipe with hose attached as they do with plastic tanks.cost around €1k an A rated boiler up to €1600 for an outdoor model( where all boilers should be) but you need drain for condensate as it will eat concrete. i would get heavy walled copper insulated cylinder €500, they come in two thicknesses. copper thin €400. or solar cylinder with replaceable anode for corrosion prevention around €1100.was pricing stuff lately,number of coils adds about €50 euro and all tanks insulated.

There is no issues with having an indoor boiler provided it its installed correctly and serviced to correct standards yearly,which it should be.You have no heat losses to outside and dont need outdoor frost protection

richieburke01

As you said yearly service but that won't happen and the appliance starts getting smelly and others problems will arise
It will be the appliance fault not the end user fault

agusta

richieburke01 wrote: »

As you said yearly service but that won't happen and the appliance starts getting smelly and others problems will arise
It will be the appliance fault not the end user fault

Could you explain how a new grant indoor boiler would get smelly and how other problems would arise?.These boilers are highly efficient and very reliable units

greasepalm

just to add i was in the brighter homes today and lot of interesting ideas,solar powered electricity from solar panels .
other solar powered panels for heating rads and all the hot water you need copper boiler been replaced,dont have the names or leaflets to hand now.
thinking ahead with prices going up for gas,oil, is the solar or other alternatives not an option now since house is defunct of heat?

scudo2

agusta wrote: »

Could you explain how a new grant indoor boiler would get smelly and how other problems would arise?.These boilers are highly efficient and very reliable units

Personaly I "HATE" indoors boilers, as I'm normal called when things go wrong,
Soot or an oil leak after some fool has gone at the wrong part when bleeding or a "budget" service !!

Love boilers in a shed, as they can be worked on in all weathers + a bit of soot on the lawnmower is not the end of the world. Try that in a lovely white utility room.
Second choice is outdoor.

richieburke01

I agreed it can be hard to maintain a high standard on a appliance after a couple of years of work
I have moved more boilers outside than inside
I know there is a heat lost but if you keep the distance to the house at a minimum
It is worth considering

richieburke01

On other note have put in heat pump in with oil boiler works well but a lot of control involved not for the faint hearted
There is another ideal of a heat pump incorparated into a hot water tank
Check it out Coolex it's called
Have put some of these in

agusta

scudo2 wrote: »

Personaly I "HATE" indoors boilers, as I'm normal called when things go wrong,
Soot or an oil leak after some fool has gone at the wrong part when bleeding or a "budget" service !!

Love boilers in a shed, as they can be worked on in all weathers + a bit of soot on the lawnmower is not the end of the world. Try that in a lovely white utility room.
Second choice is outdoor.

I would agree with you from a servicing point of view.I have a grant HE indoor boiler in a house 3 years old which i believe is more efficient[no heat losses to outside] ,no condesation/moisture on boiler/ burner,no need for a frost stat,But then again i service it myself

scudo2

agusta wrote: »

I would agree with you from a servicing point of view.I have a grant HE indoor boiler in a house 3 years old which i believe is more efficient[no heat losses to outside] ,no condesation/moisture on boiler/ burner,no need for a frost stat,But then again i service it myself

Ah feck, another DIY'er.



Only joking.
M.

DGOBS

About 3% case loss outdoors was always the norm for calculations
But much prefer outdoor installations

sandydan

DGOBS wrote: »

Double wall steel bunded tanks are not cheap!

Buried fiberglass tank!

saw bunded tank on done deal in Cork section under €1000 i presume they are double walled, correct me if I'm wrong.