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10-04-2014 1:07pm#1
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It's not really any of your business tbh. If they want to carry on the charade, then what's it to you?
Unless they have a history of preachiness, or the other person is a public hypocrite (i.e. giving out to others for not doing Catholic things while being a la carte themselves), I say live and let live.
While I can understand your concern for the child it's not your place to educate other people's children. All you can do is be honest with the/a child is they ask you a question rather than tell them what their parents would like you to tell them (within reason; you don't need to explain the birds and the bees to a five year old!)
My wife had a similar quandry. She was teaching drama to class of 4/5 years olds and one of the kids made some comment about sausages being made from pigs. All of the other kids instantly starting making fun of him, "Hahaha, you don't eat pigs, silly!", and so on. Being vegetarian I would personally relish the chance to set a class full of children straight on that, but my wife didn't feel it was her place to make that kind of correction (she's not their teacher-teacher
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Yeah, I don't see the harm in pointing out (in joke form, in order to keep your friends
) that their hypocrisy is showing. Done it plenty*. Can't say they've caught me out that way in return, but they find plenty of other issues to hop off me!
*with added emphasis around census time. Then it becomes a more serious finger wagging, but they're as entitled to wag the finger back in my direction about that or other stuff. Door swings both ways.0 -
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and if anyone were using their religious beliefs to allow them to paint themselves as morally superior to another person, I'd be eyeballing their fundamentalism with the same cynicism as that of a fundamentalist atheist.
....and rightly so. I like that between friends, I can be morally superior about some things and they about others. It's a learning curve 0 -
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kunst nugget wrote: »That's a great makey-up friend you've got there. Some people might be annoyed with people making snide comments about their personal lives and their spiritual views but not your friend. She's a keeper. I think she's helped solve this issue once and for all. Case closed.
She's a pal alright Based on my very best friend who is indeed an a la carte catholic. She gives as good as she gets.
I did too Czar, but I suspended judgement till I heard a bit more context.I think Obliq most people read this part -And wondered why would you feel the need to do that? Making sarky comments to your friends with the intention of "exposing their hypocrisy" is a nasty attempt at moral high grounding, regardless of whether they be religious or atheist, and Akrasia's been doing some fairly poor backpedalling since.
I mean, take "The funny side of religion" thread, there's nothing malicious or bitter in there, there's some actual funny shìt, regardless of whether you're of an atheist or religious persuasion. But the "exposing hypocrisy", that's not having a laugh, that's sneering, and nobody likes being sneered at by someone attempting one-upmanship and "I'm better than you" sort of thing.
Well again, call me dickish, but I do that all the time in different contexts. Same friend often swears blind she's only going for the one pint, and I take great pleasure and full possession of the high moral ground in making out she made that pint last a long time - till 3am, in fact.
I am fully aware I'm being moralistic if I point out her hypocrisy by naming herself catholic on the census, when she doesn't believe in god and goes to mass only occasionally to save face. If it weren't for me pointing it out, who would? As it happens, she hadn't realised till I said it that the RCC takes the percentage of "catholics" at face value, as does the state when creating policies. I think it's important to point out hypocrisy in good friends, personally! She ain't shy about doing the same to me....0 -
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I mean, take "The funny side of religion" thread, there's nothing malicious or bitter in there, there's some actual funny shìt, regardless of whether you're of an atheist or religious persuasion. But the "exposing hypocrisy", that's not having a laugh, that's sneering, and nobody likes being sneered at by someone attempting one-upmanship and "I'm better than you" sort of thing.
I actually think a huge amount of the funnies thread does take a side swipe at the hypocrisy surrounding religion, and that it is perfectly reasonable to do so in good humour. For example;
If organised religion wasn't up to its neck in hypocrisy, many of the funnies wouldn't be funny. Kids doing a holy communions purely for the money seems pretty much to be the norm, and where the family doesn't bother with the more mundane aspects of religious practice, there does seem to be a fair dollop of hypocrisy involved. If the type of banter you have with your mates includes a degree of slagging, as is so often the case in Ireland, it seems fair game. Many of my friends who've gone through this with their kids are also pretty cynical about the whole thing, and consider it a scam of sorts.0 -
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I actually think a huge amount of the funnies thread does take a side swipe at the hypocrisy surrounding religion, and that it is perfectly reasonable to do so in good humour.Loads of that thread is very sneery. Most of the humour comes exactly from the "haha what a bunch of fools/hypocrites they are" POV.
My point was moreso that it's poking fun at the concept of religion, rather than singling out individuals for derision, much like the "attack the post, not the poster" rule on Boards. I don't think any of us here has never been guilty of hypocrisy in one form or another, so the idea of "beam in your own eye" and "let he who is without sin cast the first stone" aren't just ideologies confined to religion. They apply regardless of belief in a deity or lack thereof, in a humanitarian context.
That's why I said earlier that I personally wouldn't be interested in judging someone who didn't live up to my standard of what a Catholic "should be" (which anyone that knows me will tell you is a fairly low bar in fairness
), but my reasoning for that is because I was a human being before I was ever religious, so my humanitarianism trumps religion every time.
Naturally that often presents a moral quandary internally which presents itself as hypocrisy externally, but it takes a special sort to point out the cognitive dissonance when I'm already struggling with the morality of the decision I've made. It certainly makes for an easy target for derision, but does that make it right?
Only when an individual questions their own conscience and asks themselves have they ever been guilty of hypocrisy, should they be able to answer that question for themselves, and they shouldn't have to be held to account by someone who is equally hypocritical in preaching tolerance, understanding and acceptance, yet by their judgment, displays a lack of any of these qualities in themselves.0 -
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If organised religion wasn't up to its neck in hypocrisy, many of the funnies wouldn't be funny. Kids doing a holy communions purely for the money seems pretty much to be the norm, and where the family doesn't bother with the more mundane aspects of religious practice, there does seem to be a fair dollop of hypocrisy involved.
Seems to me it's the kids who have their heads screwed on, and the adults who are full of sh1t
Kids don't give a crap about 'what the neighbours would think' etc. etc. which is one of the worst neuroses many people in this society exhibit. We do have some (usually) good behaviours in our society like 'slagging' and not taking ourselves too seriously, but we have a lot of less constructive behaviours too. These do seem to be on the decline - I hope so. In Cavan there was a great fire / Judge McCarthy was sent to inquire / It would be a shame / If the nuns were to blame / So it had to be caused by a wire.
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