2005 Toyota Avensis 2lt D4D

geoweb2k14

Hi guys, I have the above car and was wondering did anyone else have the same problem as outlined below:

My car starts with no problems first thing in the morning and most times usually. The thing is that lately when I have driven my car for a longish journey(15km) and stop and turn engine off while going into a shop, it finds it hard to re start again. Anyone have any info or remedies to fix this problem?
Thanks guys,
George

MarkR

I had a 04 one with a similar problem. Could be the fuel injection assembly (anything with assembly in it costs money!) or injectors, or even just the fuel filter. Or the starter.Or the battery. Loads really, you'll have to get some tests done to see what the issue is. Is it due a service? Can you see if there are any fault codes stored in the ECU?

(Not a mechanic, just a guy who had one for 5 years and 250k miles. )

geoweb2k14

MarkR wrote: »

I had a 04 one with a similar problem. Could be the fuel injection assembly (anything with assembly in it costs money!) or injectors, or even just the fuel filter. Or the starter.Or the battery. Loads really, you'll have to get some tests done to see what the issue is. Is it due a service? Can you see if there are any fault codes stored in the ECU?

Its not due a service. No engine faulf codes shown up. Only bought it last year and had injectors checked and they were fine. Could it be dirt in the fuel tank? At times also it feels like the turbo doesn't work as well as other times.

Georhe

MarkR

geoweb2k14 wrote: »

MarkR wrote: »

I had a 04 one with a similar problem. Could be the fuel injection assembly (anything with assembly in it costs money!) or injectors, or even just the fuel filter. Or the starter.Or the battery. Loads really, you'll have to get some tests done to see what the issue is. Is it due a service? Can you see if there are any fault codes stored in the ECU?

Its not due a service. No engine faulf codes shown up. Only bought it last year and had injectors checked and they were fine. Could it be dirt in the fuel tank? At times also it feels like the turbo doesn't work as well as other times.

Georhe

Start easy with the fuel filter and checking the battery. Batteries last about 5 years. You might still be on your first. Do your glow plugs light when you turn the key first, before you start? Are you waiting for the lights to go out before starting the car?

geoweb2k14

Battery is only a yr old along with glow plugs. I always wait for heater plug light to go out before starting. Its wrecking my head.......thanks so much for your help though

George

MarkR

A new fuel filter is €10 - €20. Get that changed and see if it makes any improvement. Then it's really getting a garage involved.

Groundsource

geoweb2k14 wrote: »

Battery is only a yr old along with glow plugs. I always wait for heater plug light to go out before starting. Its wrecking my head.......thanks so much for your help though

George

Are you burning the quare stuff by any chance?

knotknowbody

I have an 04 Avensis diesel and had very similar symptoms about 2 years ago, would always start no problems from cold, but once it warned up after a 10 - 15 minute drive it would fail to start on occasion, if it was allowed to cool for a half an hour it would start again, no codes stored or warning lights illuminated. I knew I had a good battery, the glow plugs and fuel filter were changed by myself as part of normal servicing only weeks before problem appeared.

It turned out to be the starter, Toyota used two different starters makes on those initially, depending on where they were built, one of the makes started to give problems with age, specifically when the engine is warm, heat transfer to the starter causes the bushes in the starter motor to expand slightly, this leads to more drag on the shaft when the starter is turning, which in turn causes the starter to draw more power to the point where it deprives other items like the SCV of sufficient power to function, The SCV controls fuel flow to the engine if the SCV can't function your engine doesn't get fuel so will not start.

I forget the makes involved but if your starter is the bad make it may have this problem, its pretty easy to take it off and get it tested, mine was drawing 4 times what it was supposed to from the battery, I replaced it with one of the other make and the car has been perfect since.

geoweb2k14

Groundsource wrote: »

Are you burning the quare stuff by any chance?

Haha! Jesus I'm not

geoweb2k14

knotknowbody wrote: »

I have an 04 Avensis diesel and had very similar symptoms about 2 years ago, would always start no problems from cold, but once it warned up after a 10 - 15 minute drive it would fail to start on occasion, if it was allowed to cool for a half an hour it would start again, no codes stored or warning lights illuminated. I knew I had a good battery, the glow plugs and fuel filter were changed by myself as part of normalisations servicing only weeks before problem appeared.

It turned out to be the starter, Toyota used two different starters makes on those initially, depending on where they were built, one of the makes started to give problems with age, specifically when the engine is warm, heat transfer to the starter causes the bushes in the starter motor to expand slightly, this leads to more drag on the shaft when the starter is turning, which in turn causes the starter to draw more power to the point where it deprives other items like the SCV of sufficient power to function, The SCV controls fuel flow to the engine if the SCV can't function your engine doesn't get fuel so will not start.

I forget the makes involved but if your starter is the bad make it may have this problem, its pretty easy to take it off and get it tested, mine was drawing 4 times what it was supposed to from the battery, I replaced it with one of the other make and the car has been perfect since.

Ah great thanks a mill for that. Mine is exactly like yours was. I'll get a new starter for it and hopefully it will cure it ..

George

PADRAIC.M

geoweb2k14 wrote: »

Ah great thanks a mill for that. Mine is exactly like yours was. I'll get a new starter for it and hopefully it will cure it ..

George

Was about to give the above advice , what can happen is, the hot starter draws too many amps and forces your turn over speed below 290rpm which causes the hard start

geoweb2k14

PADRAIC.M wrote: »

Was about to give the above advice , what can happen is, the hot starter draws too many amps and forces your turn over speed below 290rpm which causes the hard start

Thanks Padraic, new startered ordered today.