Full Red or Red and white.

snipe49

Lad's would u please settle something for me. If u were getting a Irish red setter pup and there were 2 left.They are the same in every way except one is full Red and the other is red and white. Which would u pick The full red pup or the red and white one.

sheebadog

snipe49 wrote: »

Lad's would u please settle something for me. If u were getting a Irish red setter pup and there were 2 left.They are the same in every way except one is full Red and the other is red and white. Which would u pick The full red pup or the red and white one.

Depends on what I'm wearing. Wouldn't want anything to clash!:)

EPointer=Birdss

The red & white because they are the original Irish setter

Edit: just read the other thread but I stick by my choice.

sonofthegun

if I was buying a red setter I would buy a solid red coloured setter if I wanted a red and white dog than I would go and buy a pure bred red and white setter which are also a beautiful dog but if you want a red setter buy a RED setter.
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irish setter

snipe49 wrote: »

Lad's would u please settle something for me. If u were getting a Irish red setter pup and there were 2 left.They are the same in every way except one is full Red and the other is red and white. Which would u pick The full red pup or the red and white one.

It's only possible if it were part of the red and white outcross programme. Then you would be gettting a red and white 1st generation outcross pup which ever one you went for. Either that or you would be getting un registered cross breed

TriggerPL

Don't like the breed in general I find them soft but if they identical in every way then I'd pic the red and white

snipe49

irish setter wrote: »

It's only possible if it were part of the red and white outcross programme. Then you would be gettting a red and white 1st generation outcross pup which ever one you went for. Either that or you would be getting un registered cross breed

Can u say that in layman term's. u on to i'm very keen to know.

jap gt

TriggerPL wrote: »

Don't like the breed in general I find them soft but if they identical in every way then I'd pic the red and white

nothing soft about them if you get a good one

sonofthegun

TriggerPL wrote: »

Don't like the breed in general I find them soft but if they identical in every way then I'd pic the red and white

a good red setter is far from soft ask lads that use the breed I we have dogs that hunt as hard as any dog what are you judging the breed on
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irish setter

snipe49 wrote: »

Can u say that in layman term's. u on to i'm very keen to know.

The red and white setters have a very small gene pool so there is a ikc outcross programme underway to cross them to red setters .
Pups can be born red or red and white. Pups born red are registered as red and white outcross and bred to another red and white will produce all red and white pups. Pups born red and white from original mating are registered red and white. It's hoped to improve the breed and give it enough genetic diversity to ensure its future

snipe49

irish setter wrote: »

The red and white setters have a very small gene pool so there is a ikc outcross programme underway to cross them to red setters .
Pups can be born red or red and white. Pups born red are registered as red and white outcross and bred to another red and white will produce all red and white pups. Pups born red and white from original mating are registered red and white. It's hoped to improve the breed and give it enough genetic diversity to ensure its future

I see well put. But will this mean an end to the all red setter.

irish setter

snipe49 wrote: »

I see well put. But will this mean an end to the all red setter.

No it's just the red and whites getting help from its cousin the red.

TriggerPL

sonofthegun wrote: »

a good red setter is far from soft ask lads that use the breed I we have dogs that hunt as hard as any dog what are you judging the breed on
sotg

On dogs that's I've hunted over along side pointers and the pointers run them into the ground , as I said in general ! And like u said a gud red setter !! So u have to get a gud one first !! That's the hard part

blackpearl

this bull about all red dogs what a load of bull,look back years at the old photos most of the trial winning reds have white on chest, head, paws and end of tail, most of the all red dogs I have seen were show dogs,my father and me have had red setters for years me 35years and him 30 before me so 65 years of reds I think I have an idea what I am talking about,look if the parents are good workers it does not matter what colour the dog is.are you after looks or working abilty.

sonofthegun

blackpearl wrote: »

this bull about all red dogs what a load of bull,look back years at the old photos most of the trial winning reds have white on chest, head, paws and end of tail, most of the all red dogs I have seen were show dogs,my father and me have had red setters for years me 35years and him 30 before me so 65 years of reds I think I have an idea what I am talking about,look if the parents are good workers it does not matter what colour the dog is.are you after looks or working abilty.

if I have two setters from the same litter proven parents ect one is a solid red dog the other is red with white I choose the solid red dog and the darker the better its just a personal choice
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sheebadog

sonofthegun wrote: »

if I have two setters from the same litter proven parents ect one is a solid red dog the other is red with white I choose the solid red dog and the darker the better its just a personal choice
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Why?

One shot on kill

If I was buying a red one I'd buy the red one.

If I was buying a red and white I'd buy a red and white one.
Depends what you want.

sonofthegun

sheebadog wrote: »

Why?

why ? because that's what I like I just prefer a solid red dog given the choice no other reason than that
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snipe49

sheebadog wrote: »

Why?

Look's like Red's have it then..:D