Which one - Seat Ibiza Fr or Cupra?

robacky

Hi, I have huge problem which one to get. I have had chance to drive Cupra for few minutes and I have to say it's stunning fast, great brakes, steering, price 22500€ . My only concern is fuel consumption it's 180 hp so shouldn't have high expectations here. Or go for 1.2 tsi fr it's 2000€ cheaper, still looks great, better economy.

I'm driving mostly in town around 15000km a year. Do you think 1.2 it's enough in town?

Y2KBOS86

Seeing as your spending over 20 grand.

I don't think a tenner a week extra on fuel is going to break you.

World of a difference between the 100bhp FR and 180bhp Cupra.

Cupra is a way better car.

State of the art supercharged, turbo charged petrol engine, slick DSG gear box, electronic limited slip dif, tighter chassis, better interior, brakes, I could go on and on.

2k extra is a total bargain.

I had assumed they were 26k+, 22.5k is a bargain.

Respect your taste as well, Ibiza Cupra is a class car.

fletch

I drive a Skoda Fabia RS with the same 1.4tsi engine. Fuel economy isn't too bad. I've measured every tank since new and I've averaged 35mpg. Most of my journeys are short trips around Dublin. On longer journeys I get 40mpg+(46 being the best) which for a 180bhp petrol car I think is fairly decent. I would imagine the Ibiza would be better as it's a more aerodynamic shape.

MuppetCheck

The Ibiza Cupras are a bit of a bargain in this country. I'd definitely plump the extra 2k towards it. Even besides the power difference, there's also a huge difference in spec.

robacky

Thanks for quick reply.

Should i take petrol type for consideration? For the Cupra recommended is 98 min 95 octane. Cannot get that first in Ireland at all. Will unleaded 95 make some damage to the engine in time ?

Wan't to take the car for hire purchase (pcp) got a quote and they offer this car for 240 € per month for 3 years deposit less than 7k. Is it worth it ?

fletch

robacky wrote: »

Thanks for quick reply.

Should i take petrol type for consideration? For the Cupra recommended is 98 min 95 octane. Cannot get that first in Ireland at all. Will unleaded 95 make some damage to the engine in time ?

Wan't to take the car for hire purchase (pcp) got a quote and they offer this car for 240 € per month for 3 years deposit less than 7k. Is it worth it ?

I always fill mine in Applegreen and have not had any problems. My car did use a lot of oil in the first couple of years (a ltr per 1,000 miles) however that has settled down a bit and from reading, it is a trait of the engine.

MuppetCheck

It will be fine with the standard unleaded here. What's the final payment with the PCP? Over 15.5k seems a lot to use a car for 3 years if you were to walk away and have nothing at the end of it.

robacky

MuppetCheck wrote: »

It will be fine with the standard unleaded here. What's the final payment with the PCP? Over 15.5k seems a lot to use a car for 3 years if you were to walk away and have nothing at the end of it.

The GFV is something around 8.5k with pcp you have that 3 option at the end of 3th year

MuppetCheck

Might be worth pricing their straight finance as a comparison. You will be paying out more per month but will have something to show for it at the end as the car is yours.

The PCP isn't bad but unless you pay the GFV you're car-less at the end.

Moneymaker

Cupra all the way! Super little car.

Y2KBOS86

fletch wrote: »

I drive a Skoda Fabia RS with the same 1.4tsi engine. Fuel economy isn't too bad. I've measured every tank since new and I've averaged 35mpg. Most of my journeys are short trips around Dublin. On longer journeys I get 40mpg+(46 being the best) which for a 180bhp petrol car I think is fairly decent. I would imagine the Ibiza would be better as it's a more aerodynamic shape.

Any problems so far with the car Fletch?

I remember you had the original diesel Fabia RS as well, remapped to 170bhp too wasn't it?

How does the petrol compare?

Are you going to map it?

fletch

Y2KBOS86 wrote: »

Any problems so far with the car Fletch?

I remember you had the original diesel Fabia RS as well, remapped to 170bhp too wasn't it?

How does the petrol compare?

Are you going to map it?

No real problems...however on 3 occasions, the DSG went into a limp mode and the car wouldn't move. A restart resolved it each time (I did highlight it to the dealer but they couldn't find any problem and it hasn't happened in over 2 yrs now) Other than that it's been faultless, the only money I've had to spend has been on new tyres and wipers (I got a free 3 yr servicing deal)

In terms of performance, I was initially disappointed with the power of the newer model. The old model with 400Nm (compared to 250Nm in the new one) made overtaking effortless however the newer model is equally as quick once the full rev range is used. Also, off the lights the petrols wins no contest, the DSG in the petrol is so fast and the power is more linear so easier to put down. In the diesel it was very difficult not to wheelspin.

In terms of economy, obviously the diesel wins hands down, however for a "performance" petrol, the new model is not bad. 40+mpg on a run and averaging 35mpg is decent.

Handling - as standard the petrol is better. The diesel was very understeery as it was very nose heavy. I did solve a lot of that by lowering it and adding a rear ARB but it was to the detriment of ride quality. The petrol is much more compliant over bumps.

Refinement - as expected, the petrol is much quieter on start up and sometimes I think it's conked out at lights it's so quiet. I only miss the diesel on long motorway runs where it revs a good bit lower than the petrol.

I haven't remapped yet but I will be doing so once it's out of warranty (in June). It should bhp go from 180 to 205

The Real B-man

FR Tdi is another option 184bhp, my next car if im honest!