Tesla US sales figures

Stallingrad

For it's first year in production these are astonishing figures. With a smaller saloon on the way the old guard must be more than a bit worried. An incredible debut for a car company.

Tesla S: 17,650

Mercedes-Benz S-Class: 13,303
BMW 7 Series: 10,932
Lexus LS: 10,727
Audi A8: 6,300
Porsche Panamera: 5,421

Cuddlesworth

Stallingrad wrote: »

For it's first year in production these are astonishing figures. With a smaller saloon on the way the old guard must be more than a bit worried. An incredible debut for a car company.

Tesla S: 17,650

Mercedes-Benz S-Class: 13,303
BMW 7 Series: 10,932
Lexus LS: 10,727
Audi A8: 6,300
Porsche Panamera: 5,421

15.6 million total car sales. So .01% of the market. Quaking in their boots I bet.

Stallingrad

That attitude reminds me of the American manufacturers response when the Japanese started selling cars in the US.

You can bet they are taking the threat seriously, even if you don't. More Teslas were sold in Norway than Golfs last month.

comongethappy

Stallingrad wrote: »

That attitude reminds me of the American manufacturers response when the Japanese started selling cars in the US.

You can bet they are taking the threat seriously, even if you don't. More Teslas were sold in Norway than Golfs last month.

How many was that?

Cuddlesworth

Stallingrad wrote: »

That attitude reminds me of the American manufacturers response when the Japanese started selling cars in the US.

You can bet they are taking the threat seriously, even if you don't. More Teslas were sold in Norway than Golfs last month.

Japanese manufacturers were capable of making actual quantities of cars. The simple fact is, if Tesla ramps up production 1000% which would require a huge investment and time sink, they can claim 0.1% of the market.

Doubling production of anything is difficult. Doing it year on year is nigh on impossible.

I like the product, I just think any threat to the car industry should be measured over a 30-40 year lifespan.

Cuddlesworth

comongethappy wrote: »

How many was that?

1493.

From the article.

"The nation, enriched by a booming oil and gas industry, offers electric-vehicle owners generous tax incentives and Norway is dotted with stations where drivers of these cars can charge up for free. In addition, many municipalities allow green vehicles access to high-speed driving lanes or free charging and parking in city lots."

From the web it would appear that the figure is the accumulation of sales from at least 1.5 years. And it would also seem they are VAT free(25%) with a petrol price of just under 2 Euro.

If you have a 100k to spend on a car, it seems a no brainer.

Stallingrad

comongethappy wrote: »

How many was that?

Around 1500 last month alone, double that of the Golf.

Stallingrad

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

I like the product, I just think any threat to the car industry should be measured over a 30-40 year lifespan.

That 30-40 lifespan starts here, I can't remember a new manufacturer ever making inroads like this at the premium end of the market. Whether they can sustain this growth remains to be seen, but with a small car already in the pipeline they are riding the crest of a wave.

There are obvious parallels to Apple here making existing tech sexy, if I had money to invest I'd be buying Tesla shares.

kaahooters

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

Japanese manufacturers were capable of making actual quantities of cars. The simple fact is, if Tesla ramps up production 1000% which would require a huge investment and time sink, they can claim 0.1% of the market.

Doubling production of anything is difficult. Doing it year on year is nigh on impossible.

I like the product, I just think any threat to the car industry should be measured over a 30-40 year lifespan.

Tesla has a 6billion dollar plant build starting in California for cars and battery's , there producing a $40k car from 2016, and you think it's gonna be 40 years?
BMW invested massively in carbon fiber fab for the i3 and future electric cars.
10 years, self driving electric cars will be everywhere.

It's 5billoon not 6.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304709904579407473494212500

Cuddlesworth

kaahooters wrote: »

Tesla has a 6billion dollar plant build starting in California for cars and battery's , there producing a $40k car from 2016, and you think it's gonna be 40 years?
BMW invested massively in carbon fiber fab for the i3 and future electric cars.
10 years, self driving electric cars will be everywhere.

It's 5billoon not 6.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304709904579407473494212500

Unless I've missed something here, Telsa have announced plans to try to build a 5 billion dollar battery factory. Ignoring the actual car production limits of their NUMMI facility in California currently. There is a real big difference between talking about doing something, doing something and finishing something.

Sesshoumaru

I think when the founder of Koenigsegg says the Tesla Model S has better performance and is more fun to drive than a BMW M5, traditional automakers should probably start thinking about how they should respond.

http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1090264_koenigsegg-founder-buys-tesla-model-s-says-its-more-fun-to-drive-than-an-m5

Koenigsegg founder Christian von Koenigsegg has revealed he’s a huge fan of electric cars, and that he sees the zero-emission vehicles becoming a dominant form of transport by 2020. Koenigsegg, for those unfamiliar with the Swedish brand, is a manufacturer of some of the world’s fastest supercars, so to learn that its founder thinks electric cars are the future may come as bit of a surprise.

However, probably the biggest indicator that Koenigsegg's founder is keen on electric cars is the fact that he recently took delivery of a Tesla Model S in his native Sweden, a car he ordered more than 18 months ago. He revealed the information to the Tesla Club Sweden (via Auto Motor and Sport) during a recent electric car conference in the Swedish town of Helsingborg.

He reportedly said that there was no better car than the Tesla Model S in its price range and that it was very affordable given its performance. He is also claimed to have said that one of the best sports sedans on the market, the BMW M5, accelerates slower, handles poorer and isn’t as fun to drive as the Model S.

This is a comparison video between the BMW i3 and Tesla Model S. Christian von Koenigsegg is driving his own Model S P85+ and speaks a bit about the car.

I doubt the Model S or S Sport will be sold in big numbers in Ireland, given the fact it's population size.

Tesla have 0 plans for a super charger network here, I think the Super chargers are installed based on deposits and cars sold.

It would make one hell of a car to buy in 10 years.

If people were to buy one in Ireland I bet the 60 kwh batteries would be the battery of choice, 80 kwh isn't really necessary with a supercharger network, even the CHAdeMo 50kw chargers would offer many people a good option for longer trips, still 180-200 miles for the 60 kwh would be away more than I need in one go.

Oafley Jones

Battery degradation would be my main concern with them. What condition will the battery be in at that stage, also they'll have to have a better system than hauling it off to their factory forreplacement.

Also, they're huge. I don't think people appreciate how big these cars are until they see them in the metal. You're talking about a car that's almost as long as an s class and almost 4 inches wider. I really wouldn't fancy it on some of the roads I drive. Again, the dash is an atrocity.

Oafley Jones

Oafley Jones wrote: »

Battery degradation would be my main concern with them. What condition will the battery be in at that stage, also they'll have to have a better system than hauling it off to their factory forreplacement.

Also, they're huge. I don't think people appreciate how big these cars are until they see them in the metal. You're talking about a car that's almost as long as an s class and almost 4 inches wider. I really wouldn't fancy it on some of the roads I drive. Again, the dash is an atrocity.

Battery degradation on a 250 mile 80 kwh model S isn't going to be much of a concern.After 30% degradation it would still have 170 miles range. And in 8-10 years batteries will cost much less especially after they can be resold to utility companies for storage.

The Leaf is a different matter, as 30% after 70 odd miles on a new battery would be 40 miles range. The question is how long will that take ? nobody can answer. But most moderate mileage drivers won't have to worry.

Tesla will allow you to buy a new battery Nissan will not and that's their current stand on it is to just "repair" the battery to hover around 70% capacity. This could change.

boardzz

battery degradation won't really matter in the world of Tesla because in Tesla's world you will be able to pull up and get a fully charged battery swapped out of your car rather than waiting to charge.
Your battery would always be a different one.

AugustusMinimus

Stallingrad wrote: »

There are obvious parallels to Apple here making existing tech sexy, if I had money to invest I'd be buying Tesla shares.

You wouldn't if you realised just how over valued they are.

Oafley Jones

AugustusMinimus wrote: »

You wouldn't if you realised just how over valued they are.

Just had a look there. Someone is bullish on their prospects I'll say that. Wouldn't touch AAPL as a stock either tbh.

AugustusMinimus

Tesla's current price earning ratio is about 1,400. Absolutely crazy stuff. To put it in context, Volkswagen's price earning ratio is only 10.

Putting cash into Tesla will be a huge punt. For given share capital, Tesla will be required in the near future to increase its profits 140 fold without any new investor capital.