VRT Fines?

deadlybuzzman

My wife bought a Seat Ibiza from the north but was it needs some repairs is unable to get the car VRT'd within the 30 day limit.
She went in to the VRT centre to see what her options are and all she got was "oh you should've got it registered, you'll have to pay a fine" the only thing is she refused to tell her any information on what the fine is and shes been unable to get anything online either.
Anyone know where we could look?

ironclaw

Can you not just VRT / bring it for inspection anyway? I would have presumed it wouldn't matter if its roadworthy or not. And yes there are fines for going over the 30 day limit.

whomitconcerns

i would stop worrying about how much it was on that day and get it done asap. The fines arent getting smaller by the day and will have to be paid regardless..

corktina

It's a percentage of the VRT per day overdue. I think it may be 1% per day, it will be on the 'net if you check.

deadlybuzzman

ironclaw wrote: »

Can you not just VRT / bring it for inspection anyway? I would have presumed it wouldn't matter if its roadworthy or not. And yes there are fines for going over the 30 day limit.

whomitconcerns wrote: »

i would stop worrying about how much it was on that day and get it done asap. The fines arent getting smaller by the day and will have to be paid regardless..

We've been told it needs to be roadworthy hence the delay as there's 4 different versions of 1 part and 11 different versions of another etc. and there's quite a few things that have cropped up that need work.

corktina

OK by "roadworthy" they mean a viable car....nothing to stop you taking it in on trailer and getting it inspected. They don't do an NCT test at that's stage. Al they do is look at it , access what model it is, check VIN No etc and if it's all there and not hanging with obvious rust, you'd be OK at this stage. If you took it in before they opened on a trailer and left it in their car park and collected it again later on a trailer ;-) I'm sure that would be OK too.

Marcusm

Your only possible exclusion is if it fails to satisfy the definition of "mechanically propelled vehicle" at the point of importation. The relevant proviso is:

(2) Where a vehicle, which, apart from this subsection, would be a mechanically propelled vehicle, stands so substantially disabled (either through accident, breakdown or the removal of the engine or other such vital part) as to be no longer capable of being propelled mechanically, it shall be regarded for the purposes of this Act as not being a mechanically propelled vehicle.

It's not a roadworthiness test so a slipping clutch or broken headlights would not be sufficient.

The Dagda

A large proportion of the VRT payable is based on condition, so if you brought it to be inspected when it's not in great condition you should be able to "negotiate" a lower VRT charge.

So not only are you now liable for a fine, you'll also end up paying more for the actual VRT too...

dr.fuzzenstein

deadlybuzzman wrote: »

My wife bought a Seat Ibiza from the north but was it needs some repairs is unable to get the car VRT'd within the 30 day limit.
She went in to the VRT centre to see what her options are and all she got was "oh you should've got it registered, you'll have to pay a fine" the only thing is she refused to tell her any information on what the fine is and shes been unable to get anything online either.
Anyone know where we could look?

Could you not just "buy" it off your wife and then clear the VRT?
Should get you round a pointless and unfair ass-raping by revenue.

Fred Swanson

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whomitconcerns

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

Could you not just "buy" it off your wife and then clear the VRT?
Should get you round a pointless and unfair ass-raping by revenue.

a private person cant sell a non vrt'd car afaik.

ShaShaBear

We bought a car up North and didn't get it VRT'd for like 3 months. There was no fine, despite us disclosing documents to show how long we had it, just an addition to the cost of the VRT based on how long it had been unregistered in the south. I believe it came to around 30 euro more than what we should have paid had we done it on time.

Soarer

Get the car fixed up, go to a different VRT centre and tell them you bought the car "last week".

bazz26

Soarer wrote: »

Get the car fixed up, go to a different VRT centre and tell them you bought the car "last week".

Are you sure that will work as once it has been appraised by the NCTS surely there is a footprint of it in their system?

Fred Swanson

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bazz26

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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Even if presented again for VRT by the same person? Not doubting you but it does seem a bit daft if true but not really surprising, this being Ireland.

dr.fuzzenstein

Or maybe the car was in the OP's name in the North for 6 months, VRT exemption, OP wins!

deadlybuzzman

The cars airbags have been deployed which also disables the power steering, there was also light frontal damage. I'm now wondering should the VRT have been applied for when fully damaged to try and get a lower rate?

slimjimmc

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

Or maybe the car was in the OP's name in the North for 6 months, VRT exemption, OP wins!

I'm sure you already now it but there's a lot more to getting VRT exemption than simply claiming the car was up north for 6 months. Proof the OP was a qualifying resident in NI and proof that the car was owned and used by the OP for a full 6 months is required e.g. proof of insurance, road taxes, servicing/fuel receipts.

dr.fuzzenstein

slimjimmc wrote: »

I'm sure you already now it but there's a lot more to getting VRT exemption than simply claiming the car was up north for 6 months. Proof the OP was a qualifying resident in NI and proof that the car was owned and used by the OP for a full 6 months is required e.g. proof of insurance, road taxes, servicing/fuel receipts.

It's a while ago, but i was not asked any of that when bringing in my VW van. Maybe being German helped, though...
Since VRT is an unfair ass-rape, any way to avoid it is fair game IMO.
The theory is, the state expects people to try and get out of paying as much taxes as possible (fair enough, since our money is being stolen and given to fat Germans, even though I am one, not that we are getting schools, hospitals, roads or public transport for them, that day is gone) and so sets taxes at an unfair high level.
Therefore, if you are honest, you are paying way over the odds. So by avoiding any tax and charge possible, you are paying the right amount.

colm_mcm

deadlybuzzman wrote: »

The cars airbags have been deployed which also disables the power steering, there was also light frontal damage. I'm now wondering should the VRT have been applied for when fully damaged to try and get a lower rate?

Pretty sure it makes no difference whether its damaged or not. They go on OMSP of similar specced and miled cars to determine the value.

Marcusm

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I can't see that or the wife trick working given that there will not be a change of registered owner and I assume the "Nordie" seller is unlikely to redate the invoice/bill of sale.

Given the issues with the car and given that you probably haven't paid the mechanic who is fixing it yet, how about asking them for a letter confirming that (airbags having been deployed and steering disabled) that it wasn't capable of being propelled on the road under its own steam until he'd fixed it. This is not the sort of circumstance which the fine is intended for - that is for people driving around for 6 months before being caught.

Carlo11

OP. My fine was based on 0.15% of the actual VRT charge. Each day it got a lot more expensive. I'm pretty sure that no matter what excuse you try to use to negotiate a better deal it will not work at the NCTS centre. They don't care as the whole thing is outsourced to them. Once you pay the VRT charge plus applicable fine you can then claim back some money for whatever reason.

Good luck with it.

nutts_77

Carlo11 wrote: »

OP. My fine was based on 0.15% of the actual VRT charge. Each day it got a lot more expensive. I'm pretty sure that no matter what excuse you try to use to negotiate a better deal it will not work at the NCTS centre. They don't care as the whole thing is outsourced to them. Once you pay the VRT charge plus applicable fine you can then claim back some money for whatever reason.

Good luck with it.

How were they aware of the date of purchase in North?

Carlo11

Sorry for the delay. They knew the date from the date of the invoice.

Fred Swanson

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nutts_77

Fred Swanson wrote: »

They will accept any old handwritten invoice.

And what if it's a private sale, so no official invoice?

Fred Swanson

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dodzy

Soarer wrote: »

Get the car fixed up, go to a different VRT centre and tell them you bought the car "last week".

Above advice seems so obvious; don't see the need for all the unnecessary worrying.

VRT evaluator: "When did you import the car Sir?"
You: "Last week, boss"
VRT evaluator:"Any proof of purchase date ?" (Although I'd be surprised if they would even ask this).
You:"Nope, sorry. Didn't bother asking for a receipt as car was purchased sold as seen"

BMJD

you could have purchased it on day 1 of your 40 day holiday to Belfast