Best Bike For 16yr Old?

Roguee

I'm looking at two Supermoto's for my first road bikes at the moment
Both of them are Chinese but i cant afford anything else.

The first is a Sinnis Apache
http://gyazo.com/c5ad4d277f5d68ebe0acefc476d618a7
Ive heared good reviews on this bike.... Although its not the prettiest thing its have ever seen. Its supposed to be reliable and one of the only good Chinese bikes.

Second is the Leximoto lsm125
http://gyazo.com/2882c0a86d18be47313da1f2d33fe0b7
It looks alot nicer than the Apache but theres not really any reviews about it and...... well i dont know.....

Are Chinese bikes getting better?

(I Wish I could just buy a drz400 )

Trebob

Go on YouTube check out a vlogger called spicy110 he is on an sinnis apache has a review up of it after a year on it. Check it out might help you out.

Roguee

Haha thats how i found out about the bike but i really just wana know how the leximoto compares to it

SweetCaliber

From personal experience I would steer way clear of any Chinese made bike.

The build quality is just not the same as Japanese bikes and when it comes to parts they will be hard to find and those who do, do them, will charge you heavy.

I've gone through 2 Chinese bikes now and I've moved onto a Japanese bike and I'd never look back, the difference is amazing.

Stick with big names, Yamaha, Honda, Suzuki etc.. For a 125 and a 16 year old learning, I'd rather have a bike that lasts than one that impresses the ladies, wait until you can get a bigger bike for that.

Cuddlesworth

Have you looked at insurance costs yet before you buy?

Roguee

I get what you mean with the Chinese bikes and I would normal agree.... but there really has been some good things said about that Sinnis and there's a dealer in Dublin so parts wont be to hard to get.

And for the insurance, its only a 125 that costs €2,000 new.. cant be that high can it?

The engine is a Suzuki built engine in a Suzuki factory, sold under license to Sinnis.

chrismon

Roguee wrote: »

I get what you mean with the Chinese bikes and I would normal agree.... but there really has been some good things said about that Sinnis and there's a dealer in Dublin so parts wont be to hard to get.

And for the insurance, its only a 125 that costs €2,000 new.. cant be that high can it?

The engine is a Suzuki built engine in a Suzuki factory, sold under license to Sinnis.

Get a quote before you buy anything!
They could charge you more than the bike is worth.

Roguee

Well I wont be getting a bike for the next few months anyway.

Roguee

I dont wana buy a second hand bike unless its in very good condition either.... Because if im buying a 125 it will most likely be off some 17/18 year old who knows jack **** about them seen as it will be most people's first ones

the_syco

Insuring a 16 year old provisional living in Louth with a provisional driving a Sinnis Apache, would cost €1627.52 with Liberty Insurance (used fake details).

Roguee

Damn...... I was hoping for more around €700
I doubt I could get it for that now :L

the_syco

Roguee wrote: »

Damn...... I was hoping for more around €700
I doubt I could get it for that now :L

Ring around. Maybe look for an insurance company that specialises in motorbike insurance? Also try brokers. Don't bother paying more than €300 excess, but don't offer less than €250 excess either.

SweetCaliber

the_syco wrote: »

Insuring a 16 year old provisional living in Louth with a provisional driving a Sinnis Apache, would cost €1627.52 with Liberty Insurance (used fake details).

That's fairly high, also don't forget IBT, that will bring the price down a bit more.

My first quote was for a keeway 125 speed and it cost me €717 premium with level 3 from IBT.

AgileMyth

Roguee wrote: »

I'm looking at two Supermoto's for my first road bikes at the moment
Both of them are Chinese but i cant afford anything else.

The first is a Sinnis Apache
http://gyazo.com/c5ad4d277f5d68ebe0acefc476d618a7
Ive heared good reviews on this bike.... Although its not the prettiest thing its have ever seen. Its supposed to be reliable and one of the only good Chinese bikes.

Second is the Leximoto lsm125
http://gyazo.com/2882c0a86d18be47313da1f2d33fe0b7
It looks alot nicer than the Apache but theres not really any reviews about it and...... well i dont know.....

Are Chinese bikes getting better?

(I Wish I could just buy a drz400 )

Pick up something cheap second hand that'll do you until you can get the bike you really want. No reason you can't have the drz in two years. Put the money you saved into a fund for it.

Something like this would be far better than those you've mentioned.
http://www.donedeal.ie/motorbikes-for-sale/honda-varadero-125-xl/6691259

The varadero is the sensible choice in the 125 market no matter what angle you look at it from. As such they are often purchased by sensible people and there are many finely maintained examples around.

FizzyCola

I was 19 when I started on an nsr 50( how I hated it) and was paying 1000 for third party fire and theft. I now have an sv650 and pay 450 fully comp.

I'd go for something second hand. Second hand doesn't always mean its been ridden to ****e. You wont have to worry about scratching it as much and about service intervals after 500 miles and running an engine in. Pick up a bike for around a grand and put the rest of your money into gear and insurance. Much better off spending a grand on decent gear that will last you than putting it into a Chinese bike that will depreciate rapidly and wont have much of a market when you come to sell.

Buy a decent helmet. Shark have an excellent range of helmets at all budgets. All helmets meet the safety standards but better helmets will be lighter, less likely to fog and will be more comfortable.

Del2005

the_syco wrote: »

Ring around. Maybe look for an insurance company that specialises in motorbike insurance? Also try brokers. Don't bother paying more than €300 excess, but don't offer less than €250 excess either.

There's only 3 other companies that insure bikes and IIRC 2 won't quote permits. No point in going to a broker as they will have the same issue.

the_syco

Del2005 wrote: »

There's only 3 other companies that insure bikes and IIRC 2 won't quote permits. No point in going to a broker as they will have the same issue.

Please list them for the OP, and if you have an idea of price, I'm sure they'd be grateful.

To the OP; get a 2nd hand bike that you won't freak when there's a few extra scrapes on it some day.

Robbknoll

Roguee wrote: »

I dont wana buy a second hand bike unless its in very good condition either.... Because if im buying a 125 it will most likely be off some 17/18 year old who knows jack **** about them seen as it will be most people's first ones

You wont be thinking that WHEN you drop it
Its its your first bike a good deal on a second hand bike would be fine. Remember you'll be learning on this bike so its gonna take some bumps and bruises, and me personally, if i bought a brand new bike and dropped it id have to be quarantined

Edit: just noticed the "first road bike" so you might have some experience. Still, roads are dangerous places.

RosieJoe

the_syco wrote: »

Please list them for the OP, and if you have an idea of price, I'm sure they'd be grateful.

To the OP; get a 2nd hand bike that you won't freak when there's a few extra scrapes on it some day.

Insurance companies are:
MCE Insurance
Carole Nash
AXA Bikecare, this replaces AON
Liberty
Adelaide, only applicable to 25 - 69 year olds. Rules out OP.


OP, you can get quotes yourself

minidazzler

Roguee wrote: »

Damn...... I was hoping for more around €700
I doubt I could get it for that now :L

Were you not just willing to shell out on a brand new bike? Get a second hand bike for cheaper and you should be able to afford the insurance.

Wossack

http://gyazo.com/2882c0a86d18be47313da1f2d33fe0b7

maybe just me, but looks like the front tyre is on backwards? wouldnt inspire confidence that..

parts and servicing would be an issue for any of these chinese yokes imo - ironically something I imagine they would require quite a bit of..

broadly speaking, theres not the depth of quality control with chinese bikes, versus japanese. So while you may find a glowing review of one example, theres no guarantee that your one will be as good (it may even be from an entirely different factory)

szatan84

Japanese, Chinese, American, or German it's all made in Taiwan anyway. maybe by the same lad even, he has part time jobs in all factory's

chrismon

AgileMyth wrote: »

Pick up something cheap second hand that'll do you until you can get the bike you really want. No reason you can't have the drz in two years. Put the money you saved into a fund for it.

Something like this would be far better than those you've mentioned.
http://www.donedeal.ie/motorbikes-for-sale/honda-varadero-125-xl/6691259

The varadero is the sensible choice in the 125 market no matter what angle you look at it from. As such they are often purchased by sensible people and there are many finely maintained examples around.

Varadero is a great bike to start off on.

Roguee

That Veradero looks like its got a tiny seat height... also i have been riding mx bikes all my life and need to sell my bike that i have at the moment to get a bike, i dont know if i could cope not going offroad for 2 years

minidazzler

1. A Varadero will go off road well, though I don't particularly recommend it.

2. I'm 6'1" and a varadero was perfectly comfortable.

3. Parts are very easily sourced for a varadero.

4. They are relatively inexpensive and have a bullet proof engine.

Roguee

I kinda want somthing that i can do light offroad trails with, could i get a 250 enduro bike, restrict it and make it road legal? is that possible

Roadcraft

Roguee wrote: »

I kinda want somthing that i can do light offroad trails with, could i get a 250 enduro bike, restrict it and make it road legal? is that possible

At 16 or 17 max engine size is 125cc 11kw.

AgileMyth

Roguee wrote: »

I kinda want somthing that i can do light offroad trails with, could i get a 250 enduro bike, restrict it and make it road legal? is that possible

Far more effort than it'll be worth.

Roguee

AgileMyth wrote: »

Far more effort than it'll be worth.

What will it involve though? I know how to work with bikes but what exactly would I need and how much would it cost?

Roguee

Roadcraft wrote: »

At 16 or 17 max engine size is 125cc 11kw.

I may be wrong, but are you not able to restrict it to a power/weight ratio of 0.2 kW/kg?
If not I could maybe get a husqy/tm 125

Roadcraft

Roguee wrote: »

I may be wrong, but are you not able to restrict it to a power/weight ratio of 0.2 kW/kg?

No, limit on cc = 125cc max

Roguee

Roadcraft wrote: »

No, limit on cc = 125cc max

Ohh

chrismon

Roguee wrote: »

I kinda want somthing that i can do light offroad trails with, could i get a 250 enduro bike, restrict it and make it road legal? is that possible

Why not buy a cheap bike for the road and something cheap for off road?
You can't really have the best of both worlds with your choice of bikes/budget.

Boskowski

Don't despair over the quote quoted. Liberty aren't exactly know for good value. Try AXA and Carol Nash.

AgileMyth

Boskowski wrote: »

Don't despair over the quote quoted. Liberty aren't exactly know for good value. Try AXA and Carol Nash.

Ever been under 25 and tried to insure a bike in Ireland? Unless MCE have come in cheap Liberty will definitely be the cheapest option by far.

AON and CN both still quoting me between 2 and 4 grand and I'm 23 now with 6 years no claims.

Only for Liberty I would not be on a bike at all.

SweetCaliber

Boskowski wrote: »

Don't despair over the quote quoted. Liberty aren't exactly know for good value. Try AXA and Carol Nash.

Liberty is by far the cheapest I've come across at that age, but like I said, IBT will drag the price down.

My friend got a quote without IBT and it was over a grand. Did his IBT and it got brought down to just over 700 euro.

chrismon

SweetCaliber wrote: »

Liberty is by far the cheapest I've come across at that age, but like I said, IBT will drag the price down.

My friend got a quote without IBT and it was over a grand. Did his IBT and it got brought down to just over 700 euro.

That's mad.
I never had any discount for doing IBT.
Did that include an assessment?

lostboy75

chrismon wrote: »

That's mad.
I never had any discount for doing IBT.
Did that include an assessment?

neither did i, but i was on the bike a year and a half before i did the IBT, and never thought to mention to them that i had then done the IBT. oh well.
have the full license now so it doesn't really matter at this stage.

Del2005

SweetCaliber wrote: »

Liberty is by far the cheapest I've come across at that age, but like I said, IBT will drag the price down.

My friend got a quote without IBT and it was over a grand. Did his IBT and it got brought down to just over 700 euro.

Without completing IBT your learners permit isn't valid. So how can they insure someone when they can't legally ride?

SweetCaliber

Del2005 wrote: »

Without completing IBT your learners permit isn't valid. So how can they insure someone when they can't legally ride?

Not sure, he got his quote over the phone and when they asked them if he had rider training he said no and they gave him the quote.

He's done it since though as you need it to apply for your full license.

Wossack

Del2005 wrote: »

Without completing IBT your learners permit isn't valid. So how can they insure someone when they can't legally ride?

easy get out of jail free card for the insurance company - up to the client to make sure theyre on a bike theyre legally allowed ride

similar to them insuring full power bikes on restricted licenses back in the day