TG4 HD Trial

Elmo

Why is TG4 HD a trial, why was it a trial to begin with? Are their technical problems with TG4 HD? Why launch a trial?

kooga

Elmo wrote: »

Why is TG4 HD a trial, why was it a trial to begin with? Are their technical problems with TG4 HD? Why launch a trail?

is it a trail or trial you are after?

Elmo

kooga wrote: »

is it a trail or trial you are after?

Sorry I do apologise, either would do? I mean trial as in test.

I would just like to beg the forgiveness of those without Dyslexia for my error and I hope that by posting in this thread that they might forgive my bad spelling and grammar, its just that I had to let go of my editor due to financial difficulties, he refused to pay me!

kooga

Elmo wrote: »

Sorry I do apologise, either would do? I mean trial as in test.

I would just like to beg the forgiveness of those without Dyslexia for my error and I hope that by posting in this thread that they might forgive my bad spelling and grammar, its just that I had to let go of my editor due to financial difficulties, he refused to pay me!

i wasn't being funny.

if i am correct tg4 hd is on upc.
whether there is a hint of a trail on other platforsm i too am curious as the picture quality for the lein v mun match last saturday was excellent unlike the previous week in thomond

Elmo

kooga wrote: »

i wasn't being funny.

if i am correct tg4 hd is on upc.
whether there is a hint of a trail on other platforsm i too am curious as the picture quality for the lein v mun match last saturday was excellent unlike the previous week in thomond

At least you understood that I was

Were you watching the Thomond match on TG4 SD?

So the trial is going well?

TG4 HD is also available on E-Vision.

kooga

Elmo wrote: »

At least you understood that I was

Were you watching the Thomond match on TG4 SD?

So the trial is going well?

TG4 HD is also available on E-Vision.

all of the games i saw were sd, its hust there was a huge difference in picture quality between the mun v treviso game in thomond and the lein v munster game in the aviva

Elmo

kooga wrote: »

all of the games i saw were sd, its hust there was a huge difference in picture quality between the mun v treviso game in thomond and the lein v munster game in the aviva

Is thomond set up for HD?

kooga

Elmo wrote: »

Is thomond set up for HD?

i don't know whether there is hard infrastructure in place or whether its down to the outside broadcat unit.........but rte 2 hd and skysports hd have broadcasted from thomond

The Cush

Elmo wrote: »

Is thomond set up for HD?

Not sure but I remember when RTÉ did its first live HD broadcast on RTÉ2 HD back in May 2010 (Magners League Final) I saw an Observe HD truck in the city at that time.

steveon

All the cameras that are set up in Thomand Park are Hd cameras most are Sony made ones from what I see, I steward there so I'm rite up close to most of them all the time.

STB

On a related matter I have been tracking the satellites being used for GAA via the uplinks and identified who the OB operators are. Not all of them use HD. You can work out some of who the operators by their sat up link.

http://www.satelliweb.com/index.php?section=search

Stick GAA in the top.

kooga

steveon wrote: »

All the cameras that are set up in Thomand Park are Hd cameras most are Sony made ones from what I see, I steward there so I'm rite up close to most of them all the time.

busy saturday ahead for you! go on munster

Elmo

Some Info attached

channelsurfer2

ah so if UTV chip in they might go on saorview in HD next year but if not they cant afford the 2rn tariff on their own. Kinda supports TV3's case that 2rn are charging too much. I know that the tariff was set to take account of transmission costs etc but its not looking good for any further HD channels on saorview in the near future?

Elmo

Doesn't really since they state that there isn't enough room on Mux 1.

It fails to explain why a trial was necessary

How much would it cost TG4 to go HD on Saorview now versus the amount they pay for SD? 200,000? They got 2.7m for HD from the Dept.

The Cush

Elmo wrote: »

How much would it cost TG4 to go HD on Saorview now versus the amount they pay for SD? 200,000? They got 2.7m for HD from the Dept.

SD tariff - €963,278
HD tariff - €2,152,359

Elmo

The Cush wrote: »

SD tariff - €963,278
HD tariff - €2,152,359

Damn!

Sam Russell

It costs about double plus a bit for HD. But the pricing model decided upon causes the actual costs to be divided up according to actual bandwidth used.

This is daft pricing for DTT. A mux is a fixed cost. If 2rn stuff zeros into the mux instead of programme, the cost is the same for 2rn, but higher for all the other broadcasters as the zeros do not attract a charge, but actual costs are recovered. If one broadcasters uses more bits it costs them more, but then the costs for the other broacaster goes down. This is because we have too much capacity on two muxes, unless more stations go HD.

Currently RTE have 2 HD channels and 2 SD channels and 10 (or is it 9) radio channels. TV3 have 2 SD channels and TG4 have one SD channel. If an HD channel equals 3 SD channels, RTE have to pay for 8 SD channels and 10 radio channels, which just about equals one mux. So why not give them mux 1 and use the other for TV3 and TG4 (and UTV if it joins DTT). If UTV goes HD and TG4 goes HD, then there will be little room left for TV3 to go HD unless they drop 3e.

A model should have been derived that encouraged HD broadcasting by discouraging SD channels.

channelsurfer2

The Cush wrote: »

SD tariff - €963,278
HD tariff - €2,152,359

wow! thats a lot for one tv channel on its own. no wonder they wont go HD on saorview soon on their own.

Elmo

What the cost of a mux?

The Cush

Elmo wrote: »

What the cost of a mux?

2rn charge RTÉ about €6m to transmit a mux. RTÉ pays this plus the cost of multiplexing the channels and services, so in the region of €7m.

watty

channelsurfer2 wrote: »

wow! thats a lot for one tv channel on its own. no wonder they wont go HD on saorview soon on their own.

But it's not actually.

Sam Russell

The Cush wrote: »

2rn charge about €6m to transmit a mux. RTÉ pays this plus the cost of multiplexing the channels and services, so in the region of €7m.

Thos charges are based on the current use of the muxes. Currently the second mux is not fully populated (in fact the two muxes are about 1.2 or 1.3 muxes worth) I would guess, a mux costs about €4m or €5m including multiplexing. However, due to the costing method foisted on them, 2rn cannot charge a scale that would encourage use.

They say the charges will fall if a third mux is required, particularly if it is nearly full.

Edit: I think an analogue chnnel cost €3m. Perhaps someone who knows might enlighten us.

The Cush

The cost of unused capacity in a mux is shared by all other users. 2rn charge approx. €6m per 24.1 M/bps mux for transmission/distribution, whether the capacity is used or not.

channelsurfer2

watty wrote: »

But it's not actually.

it is compared to free carriage on upc and probably sky.

watty

Those are pay TV only.
TG4 isn't a Pay TV channel. Actually PSB.