Where does the GAA's revenue go?

RoyalCelt

I'm a big fan of the GAA and often stand up for them when people slag them off as greedy or the grab all association. However with the 1D/Gareth Brooks concerts on this year along Croke Park being debt free and likely a bumper gate this year with hurling on the up and the football as strong as ever I don't want to be defending them without being absolute certain of where their money goes. Plus they might be getting a lucrative sky deal soon along with a lot of money from the rugby world cup in a few years if they get it.

So does anybody know what % of the earnings go to paying the administrators in the GAA and what goes into running competitions, promotion, games development (home and abroad) club grants, county grants etc.

To be honest I'm sick of people coming out with outlandish statements on them when they haven't a clue where the money goes.

Another thing is people b*tching about players not getting paid when the GAA can't go pro as it means they can't stop transfers and it would prob mean the death of all the weaker counties and a lot of financial trouble. Although I do hope the grant is increased a fair bit from both the GAA and the government.

So does anyone have some cold hard facts on what happens to our €50 when we pay into an all ireland semi final?

nice_guy80

Its all freely available on the GAA website

RoyalCelt

nice_guy80 wrote: »

Its all freely available on the GAA website

do you have a link?

ProudDUB

The GAA release their annual accounts every year.

http://www.gaa.ie/gaa-news-and-videos/daily-news/1/0302141105-gaa-annual-accounts-2013-published/

nice_guy80

Next time someone says anything to you ask them do the FAI or IRFU publish their accounts in public?
Do they frick!

risteard7

nice_guy80 wrote: »

Next time someone says anything to you ask them do the FAI or IRFU publish their accounts in public?
Do they frick!

well at least the fai and irfu pay the players. so you don't have to ask

Dirty Dingus McGee

risteard7 wrote: »

well at least the fai and irfu pay the players. so you don't have to ask

Whats that got to do with releasing their accounts to the public each year?

keeponhurling

I assume this counts as trolling, seeing as it is freely available information

CrabRevolution

risteard7 wrote: »

well at least the fai and irfu pay the players. so you don't have to ask

I dont understand your logic....are you saying that if an organisation pays their employees, they arent obliged to present accounts to anyone?

And the FAI probably only pay a tiny appearance fee to players, the clubs pay their normal salaries. John Delany and Co. probably hoover up the majority of the wage bill in the FAI.

The IRFU have central contracts so they will have a bigger wage bill, nothing stopping them producing accounts though.

The GAA produce a very detailed set of accounts every year for any doubters to pore over to their hearts content. Every cent is accounted for.

The Lost Sheep

nice_guy80 wrote: »

Next time someone says anything to you ask them do the FAI or IRFU publish their accounts in public?
Do they frick!

Google IRFU annual report and you will see accounts of IRFU. They publish their accounts at end of each season and include them in annual report

RoyalCelt

keeponhurling wrote: »

I assume this counts as trolling, seeing as it is freely available information

are you for real? I asked a question and it's trolling? Trolling against who exactly??

Anyway thanks for the links lads, in light of that information I fully support the new sky deal. Hopefully they come back for it again in 3 years time and the GAA can start funnelling serious money back into the counties and clubs.

nice_guy80

RoyalCelt wrote: »

are you for real? I asked a question and it's trolling? Trolling against who exactly??

Anyway thanks for the links lads, in light of that information I fully support the new sky deal. Hopefully they come back for it again in 3 years time and the GAA can start funnelling serious money back into the counties and clubs.

They already do.
Where do counties get money to build training pitches and help develop stadiums?
OK it doesn't filter down to clubs as much as it should, but generally the GAA gives grants to clubs

maestroamado

ProudDUB wrote: »

The GAA release their annual accounts every year.

http://www.gaa.ie/gaa-news-and-videos/daily-news/1/0302141105-gaa-annual-accounts-2013-published/

I was with some people who were discussing this very topic about a month ago and I had a look at these accounts... I had look at this publication and noticed there was no detail of where the monies went to the counties/clubs but it may be that it is detailed and I could not find it... I do remember that nearly 20% of the 55m went on admin which seems a lot... also during this discussion I mention it was said that the gaa were officially a charity and this may be the reason for the limited accounts made available to the public...
if there is more detail I would be interested to pass on to this discussion after the local derby this weekend....
I did notice an article in "the paper" (cork) buy someone who won the Dublin marathon a few times (hooper?) complaining about the irish government giving a grant of €600,000 for the development of ruslip in London....
the local playing area was developed here and we collected and and the government gave a grant for the development...
I have no doubt the money is well spent but clarity is always good...

munchkin_utd

maestroamado wrote: »

I was with some people who were discussing this very topic about a month ago and I had a look at these accounts... I had look at this publication and noticed there was no detail of where the monies went to the counties/clubs but it may be that it is detailed and I could not find it... I do remember that nearly 20% of the 55m went on admin which seems a lot... also during this discussion I mention it was said that the gaa were officially a charity and this may be the reason for the limited accounts made available to the public...
if there is more detail I would be interested to pass on to this discussion after the local derby this weekend....
I did notice an article in "the paper" (cork) buy someone who won the Dublin marathon a few times (hooper?) complaining about the irish government giving a grant of €600,000 for the development of ruslip in London....
the local playing area was developed here and we collected and and the government gave a grant for the development...
I have no doubt the money is well spent but clarity is always good...

The money in London is from a pot of money for emigrant support and seeing as the GAA in London has 1000s of members, mostly emigrants, that's fitting that they get it.

For the accounts
See page 124 for a breakdown on what each county gets
http://www.gaa.ie/content/documents/Annual_Congress_Final_Report2.pdf
The admin cost is broken down on the pages before, as well as a fairly detailed breakdown on other costs

Clareman

I'll never understand the fascination of comparing the GAA with the IRFU and the FAI, they all have different remits and scales, just because they are involved in sport doesn't mean that they are the same thing, it's a bit like comparing Dell, Microsoft and Facebook.

maestroamado

Clareman wrote: »

I'll never understand the fascination of comparing the GAA with the IRFU and the FAI, they all have different remits and scales, just because they are involved in sport doesn't mean that they are the same thing, it's a bit like comparing Dell, Microsoft and Facebook.

I agree for example I recently read an article about the gaa getting involved in a bid for rugby world cup at some stage in the future or did I dream of this...

Clareman

maestroamado wrote: »

I agree for example I recently read an article about the gaa getting involved in a bid for rugby world cup at some stage in the future or did I dream of this...

The GAA are going to allow their facilities be used

maestroamado

Clareman wrote: »

The GAA are going to allow their facilities be used

that's the article but I believe it said someone else would have to pay for grounds to be upgraded so why get involved...

RoyalCelt

nice_guy80 wrote: »

They already do.
Where do counties get money to build training pitches and help develop stadiums?
OK it doesn't filter down to clubs as much as it should, but generally the GAA gives grants to clubs

I know that they already do. Just over 80% goes to counties, clubs and games development. I was just saying hopefully sky pay even more money in 3 years so that money funnelling down increases.

maestroamado

RoyalCelt wrote: »

I know that they already do. Just over 80% goes to counties, clubs and games development. I was just saying hopefully sky pay even more money in 3 years so that money funnelling down increases.

there is no doubt about that as players will probably have to be paid..... I know not many will agree with me but personally I think it is the way to go if we want to make our national game be up there with gareth brooks etc... question for the many people who will more than likely disagree.... is to name a team sport that is internationally successful where players are not paid and in most cases pretty well??

munchkin_utd

maestroamado wrote: »

there is no doubt about that as players will probably have to be paid<snip>

how?

do the sums. A panel of 32 getting 50grand a piece is 1.6million - before training expenses or infrastructure or travel or accomodation for games which is currently covered.
Multiply by 32 football counties thats 51million
Add in 16 hurling counties thats another 25.5 million.
and you havent even thought of paying the managers, so say 100k x 48 = another 4.8 million.

so indeed, its very realistic that the GAA will go professional as the pot of 81million euro annually needed to do so is just sitting there under the sky sports rainbow.

maestroamado

munchkin_utd wrote: »

how?

do the sums. A panel of 32 getting 50grand a piece is 1.6million - before training expenses or infrastructure or travel or accomodation for games which is currently covered.
Multiply by 32 football counties thats 51million
Add in 16 hurling counties thats another 25.5 million.
and you havent even thought of paying the managers, so say 100k x 48 = another 4.8 million.

so indeed, its very realistic that the GAA will go professional as the pot of 81million euro annually needed to do so is just sitting there under the sky sports rainbow.[/QUOTE

munchkin... your far too generous if you give a poor country chap 50k he will probably go on the beer.... 100k for a manager I read recently that the manager of spain (ie Spanish prime minister) is on this salary approx.

since you do ask an idea for starters is say give each panel player say €10 tax free for each hour playing/training... they already get allowed expenses ... this would as well create an equality between the counties which would be good for player morale... if it fails just revert back... it nwill be harder to revert back if the most recent major decision fails..

RoyalCelt

maestroamado wrote: »

munchkin_utd wrote: »

how?

do the sums. A panel of 32 getting 50grand a piece is 1.6million - before training expenses or infrastructure or travel or accomodation for games which is currently covered.
Multiply by 32 football counties thats 51million
Add in 16 hurling counties thats another 25.5 million.
and you havent even thought of paying the managers, so say 100k x 48 = another 4.8 million.

so indeed, its very realistic that the GAA will go professional as the pot of 81million euro annually needed to do so is just sitting there under the sky sports rainbow.[/QUOTE

munchkin... your far too generous if you give a poor country chap 50k he will probably go on the beer.... 100k for a manager I read recently that the manager of spain (ie Spanish prime minister) is on this salary approx.

since you do ask an idea for starters is say give each panel player say €10 tax free for each hour playing/training... they already get allowed expenses ... this would as well create an equality between the counties which would be good for player morale... if it fails just revert back... it nwill be harder to revert back if the most recent major decision fails..

under eu law how would you stop counties transferring lads? the only realistic step is to increase the grant. If the GAA wanted to do this they should make the grant 3k a year for players and lobby the government to allow the lads to claim back their taxes from their regular jobs. The Rugby players got to claim back something like 40% of their earnings over a 10 year period. Be a bit hypocritical of them to deny the GAA players considering they are not even being paid.

maestroamado

This is a quote by peter mc kenna from an article in the times this morn on the launch of Cadbury sponsorship.....

“We could be facetious. But we distribute

€44 million throughout the organisation every year. If we were to get a grant for €44 million from elsewhere we would do things differently. But that’s unrealistic"

I wonder where elsewhere is as I never heard of such a place.......

jack o shea

how much does that load of crap aussie rules thing cost every 2nd year?prob half a mill? that wont be scrapped tho cos the gaa suits get a free trip to oz out of it.scandelous waste of money.

keane2097

jack o shea wrote: »

how much does that load of crap aussie rules thing cost every 2nd year?prob half a mill? that wont be scrapped tho cos the gaa suits get a free trip to oz out of it.scandelous waste of money.

The suits man, it's all a conspiracy...

Realt Dearg Sec

maestroamado wrote: »

This is a quote by peter mc kenna from an article in the times this morn on the launch of Cadbury sponsorship.....

“We could be facetious. But we distribute

€44 million throughout the organisation every year. If we were to get a grant for €44 million from elsewhere we would do things differently. But that’s unrealistic"

I wonder where elsewhere is as I never heard of such a place.......

Hence he said it's unrealistic. What's your point?

maestroamado

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

Hence he said it's unrealistic. What's your point?

I was not trying to make a point just a question as to who or where is elsewhere?
ie is it sky or Cadbury's or maybe there are other possibilities.....

Realt Dearg Sec

maestroamado wrote: »

I was not trying to make a point just a question as to who or where is elsewhere?
ie is it sky or Cadbury's or maybe there are other possibilities.....

Elsewhere means somewhere other than here. Are you seriously not familiar with the term? His point (and I thought it was pretty obvious) is that there is no other place where the GAA can get the funding needed to build and develop as an association, so people complaining about sponsorship and sky and what have you aren't dealing with the realities of running such a massive operation. Not sure what you're missing about that?

maestroamado

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

Elsewhere means somewhere other than here. Are you seriously not familiar with the term? His point (and I thought it was pretty obvious) is that there is no other place where the GAA can get the funding needed to build and develop as an association, so people complaining about sponsorship and sky and what have you aren't dealing with the realities of running such a massive operation. Not sure what you're missing about that?

my read of the statement is elsewhere is "that there is nowhere else to go" as this is what it means... I was surprised at this comment so I thought I may have misread...
it seems you are in agreement and I thought I had misunderstood the comment but that's the way it is, we agree on something...

RoyalCelt

jack o shea wrote: »

how much does that load of crap aussie rules thing cost every 2nd year?prob half a mill? that wont be scrapped tho cos the gaa suits get a free trip to oz out of it.scandelous waste of money.

The series has made money over the years so it's the opposite of a waste of money. This year despite the decline of it's popularity over 30k people went to croker to watch it and that's more than many a match in the aviva hasn't got.

Most importantly the players want it and enjoy it so as long as they don't lose money I say keep it going. Look at the Railway Cup, it makes no money and only 500 people turned up in navan for it this year. if anything that needs to go. Or at least play it the day before the all ireland finals or something when gaa hype is at fever pitch.

keane2097

maestroamado wrote: »

my read of the statement is elsewhere is "that there is nowhere else to go" as this is what it means... I was surprised at this comment so I thought I may have misread...
it seems you are in agreement and I thought I had misunderstood the comment but that's the way it is, we agree on something...

I think you misunderstood it alright - he's saying if they had a ****load more money they could entertain the notion of doing things differently, but they don't.

maestroamado

keane2097 wrote: »

I think you misunderstood it alright - he's saying if they had a ****load more money they could entertain the notion of doing things differently, but they don't.

My query was in relation to the comment of a grant for same amount.... the said 44m we could do a lot more....
if he spoke with clarity everyone would understand... I expect people in positions to say what they mean and mean what they say and not talk what might happen if we lived in fairyland.... he was talking like a politician....

keane2097

maestroamado wrote: »

My query was in relation to the comment of a grant for same amount.... the said 44m we could do a lot more....
if he spoke with clarity everyone would understand... I expect people in positions to say what they mean and mean what they say and not talk what might happen if we lived in fairyland.... he was talking like a politician....

You're the only person I've seen not understanding and/or complaining about the statement.

maestroamado

I am not complaining about the statement... I just thought it was relevant to this thread... I am thinking of buying a nice villa in Tuscany if someone will give me the money...
regards

keane2097

maestroamado wrote: »

I am not complaining about the statement... I just thought it was relevant to this thread... I am thinking of buying a nice villa in Tuscany if someone will give me the money...
regards

I thought I knew what your beef was, but tbh the more I tried to clarify the less I understood what point you were trying to make! Let's just move on :pac:

maestroamado

keane2097 wrote: »

I thought I knew what your beef was, but tbh the more I tried to clarify the less I understood what point you were trying to make! Let's just move on :pac:

I do not have a problem with anything but I like clarity....