SPOILERS New Winds of Winter chapter online

hotshots85

George R R Martin has posted a new chapter on his blog, link below.

http://www.georgerrmartin.com/excerpt-from-the-winds-of-winter/

GerB40

hotshots85 wrote: »

George R R Martin has posted a new chapter on his blog, link below.

http://www.georgerrmartin.com/excerpt-from-the-winds-of-winter/

Jaysus that's dark.. Looks like "Mercys" storyline is coming along nicely though. Cmon Martin, finish the fúckin book...

Mr.Prodston

Here's a crazy idea: get all the sample chapters and put them in the form of a book and sell it for a reasonable price. Nah I just can't see it catching on

The only sample I've actually read is

Theon's

and that's only because it was at the end of ADWD. Ugh I think I'll probably read this one though, reluctantly.

Witcher

Won't be worth buying the book if he keeps this up:pac:

Gbear

I was a bit worried with all the talk of getting raped that it was taking the whole adult before her time thing a few staps too far.

Instead she just murdered a guy. No worries.

Tom.D.BJJ

Good chapter. I hope Mercy remembers who she is

Another name on the list crossed off

Daith

Tom.D.BJJ wrote: »

Good chapter. I hope Mercy remembers who she is

Another name on the list crossed off

I think she does “Think so?” asked Arya, sweetly" unless it's a typo

Kunkka

I'm confused

Who was the guy she killed it didn't ring a bell with me at all...

Witcher

Kunkka wrote: »

I'm confused

Who was the guy she killed it didn't ring a bell with me at all...

Raff the Sweetling, one of Gregor Clegane's men.

Gbear

Kunkka wrote: »

I'm confused

Who was the guy she killed it didn't ring a bell with me at all...

Raff the Sweetling. Formerly of Amory Lorch and Gregor Clegane's band of thugs. He killed Lommy when Lannisters surrounded Yoren's convoy of prisoners to the wall.

Kunkka

Ah yes good memory

I'm in the middle of a re-read too, that's shocking

Tom.D.BJJ

dreamed of wolves again, of running through some dark pine forest

Is the pack moving North perhaps?

a tree that watched her as she ran

December2012

Didn't he kill Lommy? When Lommys legs were hurt and he said "you'll have to carry me". He agreed and then stabbed him immediately

Tom.D.BJJ

December2012 wrote: »

Didn't he kill Lommy? When Lommys legs were hurt and he said "you'll have to carry me". He agreed and then stabbed him immediately

Yes, via spear

Sleepy

Is the date on that correct? It says January 27th. Could I really have missed a preview chapter of my favourite character for this long!!?

GerB40

Tom.D.BJJ wrote: »

dreamed of wolves again, of running through some dark pine forest

Is the pack moving North perhaps?

a tree that watched her as she ran

Shít I never copped onto that. We'll probably have to get used to tree POVs..

kellso81

Sleepy wrote: »

Is the date on that correct? It says January 27th. Could I really have missed a preview chapter of my favourite character for this long!!?

It also says 2013??? Must be wrong.

Kunkka

Must be the date he wrote that chapter.

TheDoctor

Finish the book goddamit!

TheDoctor

Is there anywhere someones has put all the chapters for Volume 6?

Mickeroo

Nice little nod to Bran

in her dream she mentions a tree watching her, so they might be passively aware of each other when warging but not realise

Kunkka

Good summary of all the known chapters here along with links

http://www.tor.com/blogs/2014/03/how-much-winds-of-winter-is-out

TheIrishGrover

Good chapter alright although

ya knew it was Arya from the start.. Someone said they hope she remembers who she is though. I don't remember, was her memory wiped or something?

Mickeroo

TheIrishGrover wrote: »

Good chapter alright although

ya knew it was Arya from the start.. Someone said they hope she remembers who she is though. I don't remember, was her memory wiped or something?

No just

the Faceless men were always on to her to leave Arya behind and forget about everything regarding revenge and her old life. .

TheIrishGrover

Mickeroo wrote: »

No just

the Faceless men were always on to her to leave Arya behind and forget about everything regarding revenge and her old life. .

Ah yeah, I remember that alright: "Who are you?" "Nobody". No, I thought I'd missed something. cheers

December2012

So who's the royal envoy?

Witcher

December2012 wrote: »

So who's the royal envoy?

Harys Swyft

Son0vagun

Why is everyone writing in spoilers? I can't read them on my phone. Only a fool would read before reading the chapter.

Loved the Chapter. Knew it was her straight away. Can't believe she was playing her sister in the play. GRRM is a master at shocking the reader.

On a reread it's obviously not her sister. Would love to see The Play in it's entirety

Daith

If this chapter is any indication of people I can't remember, I'll be reading the next book beside my laptop with the wiki open.

Tom.D.BJJ

Son0vagun wrote: »

On a reread it's obviously not her sister. Would love to see The Play in it's entirety

I think it is. Who do you think it is?

December2012

Shae?

Shazbot

Interesting chapter. I don't think the chapter was meant to harbor a Arya reveal. It's obvious it's her from the opening paragraph and the fact that it's an unknown girl in Bravos.

It's nice to see Arya hasn't completely forgotten who she is. But then again, did we really think she would.

I didn't catch the part about the weirwoord watching the wolves until someone mentioned it here. That's a nice reminder to read everything carefully when the book finally gets released.

Tom.D.BJJ wrote: »

I think it is. Who do you think it is?

I think it's Shae. The character is set to get raped and murdered in the play. Sansa was never murdered, unless the playwrite is taking liberties with the truth. Shae was murdered by Tyrion and she testified that he mistreated her during his trial. Why have a young girl play the role then?

Gbear

Shazbot wrote: »

I think it's Shae. The character is set to get raped and murdered in the play. Sansa was never murdered, unless the playwrite is taking liberties with the truth. Shae was murdered by Tyrion and she testified that he mistreated her during his trial. Why have a young girl play the role then?

I thought that too (because of the murdering part) but someone on Reddit pointed out that Cersei at the very least tried to cover up that Shae was there at all.

Is her existence common knowledge?

On the other hand, I don't see why portraying Sansa as a victim makes sense when Cersei wants her head.

Son0vagun

Well Sansa is missing and maybe presumed dead, but when did Tyrion murder her ? I thought it was Sansa first but it has to be Shae.

Sleepy

To be fair, it's a play being performed an ocean away and all past precedent has shown the news passing between Esteros and Westeros to be very inaccurate being mainly sailors tales etc. Were the details of the play accurate, it'd be fairly out of keeping with the world Martin has created.

December2012

Wouldn't it be great if, for the purposes of production, the play combined the characters of Shae and Sansa the way the TV show has combined some of the book characters?


Very meta.

And possible because even though the books were started before the show GRRM did see them being turned into a teleplay or screenplay and is a former TV writer.

Sleepy

In light of the success of HBO's adaptation of the series, it's rather ironic but ASOIAF was written almost as a direct response to the constrictions of writing teleplays!

Martin got so sick of being told "you can have either the horses or stonehenge but not both, the budget can't handle both" etc. that he wrote an enormously complicated series featuring thousands of characters, a 300 mile long, 700 foot high wall of ice and a tapestry of wildly varying locations. He was almost deliberately writing something "unfilmable".

Gbear

Sleepy wrote: »

In light of the success of HBO's adaptation of the series, it's rather ironic but ASOIAF was written almost as a direct response to the constrictions of writing teleplays!

Martin got so sick of being told "you can have either the horses or stonehenge but not both, the budget can't handle both" etc. that he wrote an enormously complicated series featuring thousands of characters, a 300 mile long, 700 foot high wall of ice and a tapestry of wildly varying locations. He was almost deliberately writing something "unfilmable".

I suppose his writing style countered that.

Even though it was complicated, everything was depicted in such detail that it's very easy to visualise the world. One unfortunate result was the ludicrously long-winded descriptions of even the most trivial meal or the clothing of some nondescript characters.

I'd imagine the prop designers had a fairly easy time of designing everything (even if actually making them all must've been a herculean task).

TheIrishGrover

Looks like GRRM has seen The Ember Island Players......

Son0vagun

Apparently this chapter was written in 2001 shortly after ASoS came out. It was one of the chapters GRRM wrote as his original "5 years later idea". I wonder has he rewritten it or is it in it's orginal form. It would explain the new grown up Arya.

Mickeroo

Son0vagun wrote: »

Apparently this chapter was written in 2001 shortly after ASoS came out. It was one of the chapters GRRM wrote as his original "5 years later idea". I wonder has he rewritten it or is it in it's orginal form. It would explain the new grown up Arya.

Is she grown up?

he made a point of referring to her breasts not being developed and one of the guardsman telling Raf he was sick for going off to get with a child.

Seems more or less directly after ADWD to me.

Son0vagun

Well she's very sexual aware.

RobbingBandit

One question, why is a Royal Envoy from the Iron Throne in Bravos, the Iron Bank is out for blood at this stage, seems strange to me.

Paddy Cow

Son0vagun wrote: »

Well she's very sexual aware.

It would be hard for her not to be. She was exposed to a lot of sexual violence at a young age. On the way to Harrenhal women were raped nightly and at Harrenhal the women who were seen as collaborators were put in stocks and anyone could have a go at them.

Gbear

Paddy Cow wrote: »

It would be hard for her not to be. She was exposed to a lot of sexual violence at a young age. On the way to Harrenhal women were raped nightly and at Harrenhal the women who were seen as collaborators were put in stocks and anyone could have a go at them.

And as it is, sex is something that appears far earlier than it does in our own culture.

I'm sure quite a lot of parents these days never bother their arse with the birds and the bees but back then, with marriage pacts on the line, and also given the way women are currency in that world and little else in a lot of cases, they'd have been given a good idea what growing up was about.

We see the equivalent when male characters go off to war like Robb at 15.
As Randyl Tarly and a half a dozen other men say, "women's battles are in the birthing bed" and they've to do their part in that regard the same as the men are expected to go off and die in a war.

Sleepy

That and they're all living in societies that are far closer to nature than our own. Farm children would typically be aware of where babies come from a lot sooner than a modern suburbanite.

Witcher

I don't think there are storks in Westeros so they can't feed them that BS either:pac:

Duckworth_Luas

Blay wrote: »

I don't think there are storks in Westeros so they can't feed them that BS either:pac:

I thought there must always be a stork in Winterfell?