Jobseekers allowance

Ray13 · 25-03-2014 5:32pm #1

hi - a friend is receiving jobseekers allowance of 188.00 per week, no other benefits. She has been offered a part time job, 4 hours a day for five days Monday to Friday. Her pay will be €200.00 per week. Would she be entitled to retain some of her jobseekers, and if so, how much?

mp22 · 25-03-2014 5:43pm

the maximum days allowed to be worked on JSA per week is 3,She will not keep any job seekers.

Ray13 · 25-03-2014 5:50pm

even though it is only 20 hours? working three days could amount to 24 hours, and a person can still claim 3 days jobseekers??? this does not seem right

eastbono · 25-03-2014 6:09pm

mp22 is correct. Its days not hours. If you work more than 3 days you get nothing and if you work 3 x 12 hour shifts you get nothing.

Kristopherus · 25-03-2014 6:16pm

Can anyone explain why its limited to 3 days. I'v posted on Boards & other fora previously about this apparent anomoly. Whats the difference between working 20 hours over 5 days and over 3 days. The OP's friend is effectively been penalised for getting off the dole queue:mad:.

eastbono · 25-03-2014 6:22pm

Kristopherus wrote: »

Can anyone explain why its limited to 3 days. I'v posted on Boards & other fora previously about this apparent anomoly. Whats the difference between working 20 hours over 5 days and over 3 days. The OP's friend is effectively been penalised for getting off the dole queue:mad:.

You need to contact the Ministers office to get this information.

Kristopherus · 25-03-2014 6:37pm

eastbono wrote: »

You need to contact the Ministers office to get this information.

I have asked them what was the thinking behind it, but got no reply.:mad:

eastbono · 25-03-2014 6:42pm

Kristopherus from an administrative point of view it would be impossible to administer casual claims on an hourly work basis. Casual claims are fairly complex to administer now just doing it the way it is currently set up. JSB has a different week to JSA and neither operate from Sunday to Saturday which is a normal working week.

Ray13 · 25-03-2014 7:07pm

eastbono wrote: »

Kristopherus from an administrative point of view it would be impossible to administer casual claims on an hourly work basis. Casual claims are fairly complex to administer now just doing it the way it is currently set up. JSB has a different week to JSA and neither operate from Sunday to Saturday which is a normal working week.

The query does not relate to casual work, it's set hours part time work 5 days a week. Effectively if u work an hour a day for 5 days a week, u are not entitled to job seekers.

eastbono · 25-03-2014 7:11pm

Ray13 wrote: »

The query does not relate to casual work, it's set hours part time work 5 days a week. Effectively if u work an hour a day for 5 days a week, u are not entitled to job seekers.

Correct if you work more than 3 days you receive nothing from SW. I must apologise myself and Kristopherus took the discussion slightly off topic.

lurooney · 25-03-2014 7:20pm

If you work 5 days a week your friend wont be entitled to any of her jobseekers

Ray13 · 25-03-2014 7:28pm

lurooney wrote: »

If you work 5 days a week your friend wont be entitled to any of her jobseekers

So u can work 5 hours a week and be entitled to nothing

lurooney · 25-03-2014 7:33pm

Ray13 wrote: »

So u can work 5 hours a week and be entitled to nothing

It also goes by what shes earning and its more than her jobseekers payment so she wont be entitled to jobseekers

eastbono · 25-03-2014 7:37pm

Ray13 wrote: »

So u can work 5 hours a week and be entitled to nothing

Yes if you work more than 3 days.

Ray13 · 25-03-2014 7:37pm

lurooney wrote: »

It also goes by what shes earning and its more than her jobseekers payment so she wont be entitled to jobseekers

Whether she was working one hour a day or five hours a day she would still be entitled to nothing

lurooney · 25-03-2014 7:40pm

Ray13 wrote: »

Whether she was working one hour a day or five hours a day she would still be entitled to nothing

They will look at whats shes earning and if its a very low wage shes getting then of course they will make up the balance..shes best off goin into citizens advice and they will tell her exactly

eastbono · 25-03-2014 7:44pm

Ray13.... I just had a Eureka moment.... check this out http://www.welfare.ie/en/Pages/Who-is-eligible.aspx it might be appropriate.

Ray13 · 25-03-2014 8:40pm

eastbono wrote: »

Ray13.... I just had a Eureka moment.... check this out http://www.welfare.ie/en/Pages/Who-is-eligible.aspx it might be appropriate.

Thanks a mil for that, she is unemployed 15 months but only on job seekers since March 2013, so does not qualify, but thanks very much for the info!

Ray13 · 25-03-2014 9:12pm

eastbono wrote: »

You need to contact the Ministers office to get this information.

Have you experience of this?

eastbono · 25-03-2014 9:20pm

Ray13 wrote: »

Have you experience of this?

No... we are now going round in circles. I cant help you anymore. You need to contact the Minister.

Ray13 · 25-03-2014 9:24pm

eastbono wrote: »

No... we are now going round in circles. I cant help you anymore. You need to contact the Minister.

Thanks Eastbono, she has emailed the welfare, maybe they will take into consideration that she is unemployed 15 months, that scheme is good and it should be promoted. Very helpful advice, so thank you!

Ray13 · 25-03-2014 9:25pm

Ray13 wrote: »

Thanks Eastbono, she has emailed the welfare, maybe they will take into consideration that she is unemployed 15 months, that scheme is good and it should be promoted. Very helpful advice, so thank you!

Ps I got wages wrong, she would be paid 175.00 a week, 13.00 less than job seekers

eastbono · 25-03-2014 9:26pm

Ray13 wrote: »

Thanks Eastbono, she has emailed the welfare, maybe they will take into consideration that she is unemployed 15 months, that scheme is good and it should be promoted. Very helpful advice, so thank you!

No problem. Its unlikely the rules will be unrestricted. Local Offices can only work on the rules.

Greenmachine · 25-03-2014 9:45pm

Your friend would be mad to take this job. They would be better off on Job bridge(slavebridge) than that.

Rorster_123 · 26-03-2014 10:21am

Your friend may qualify for the PArt Time Job Incentive Scheme depending on her circumstance.

http://www.welfare.ie/en/Pages/Part-Time-Job-Incentive-Scheme.aspx

Extract of conditions below.

Qualifying Conditions in Detail:
The person must

1.have been fully unemployed and in receipt of Jobseeker's Allowance at the long-term rate prior to commencing on the Part-Time Job Incentive scheme,
2.have been in receipt of a higher jobseeker's payment than the appropriate Part-Time Job Incentive supplement payable,
3.undertake to remain on the scheme for at least two months.
4.not be in receipt of another Social Welfare payment, other than one which is not included in section 209 of the Social Welfare (Consolidation) Act, 1993 (as amended), and
5.not be in receipt of any other allowance or an allowance in respect of a course of education, training and development.
The job must

1.be insurable under the Social Welfare Acts at class A or J rate of contribution, and
2.involve working for less than 24 hours per week. A person may have one or more jobs, provided the jobs meet the stated criteria and the total number of hours weekly is less than 24.
Smallholders or self-employed persons are not permitted to take part in the scheme.

Hope it helps.

Jobseekers allowance

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