Who can give Mayweather an L?

RezwoK

Title says it all really

just want to make it clear this is'nt a mayweather criticism thread but I'm interested to hear opinions. It's come to the stage where Floyd will fight who he wants and get away with it (with a bucket of money) so the big Q is who do you think can give Maywaether his first loss?

I feel Antonio Margaritos pressure style, chin & power in his prime could have given Floyd a lot of trouble but at the time floyd would'nt even entertain nogotiations with him.

In terms of active Fighters I find it hard to see anyone at welter or light mid - maybe a tricky lefty Erislandy lara gives him trouble?

Other than that The only person I can thin is GGG at light mid but that does'nt look likey considering Chavez Jnr v GGG ongoing negotiations.

taughts?

Frankie Lee

RezwoK wrote: »

Title says it all really

just want to make it clear this is'nt a mayweather criticism thread but I'm interested to hear opinions. It's come to the stage where Floyd will fight who he wants and get away with it (with a bucket of money) so the big Q is who do you think can give Maywaether his first loss?

I feel Antonio Margaritos pressure style, chin & power in his prime could have given Floyd a lot of trouble but at the time floyd would'nt even entertain nogotiations with him.

In terms of active Fighters I find it hard to see anyone at welter or light mid - maybe a tricky lefty Erislandy lara gives him trouble?

Other than that The only person I can thin is GGG at light mid but that does'nt look likey considering Chavez Jnr v GGG ongoing negotiations.

taughts?

Lara or Kirkland at 154 would be the most interesting fights, at 147 Pacquaio, Bradley, Thurman, Porter and Alexander could all be interesting but Floyd would be a strong favourite for all of them. Maidana, Broner and Khan are joke opposition.

Give any of them Margarito's handwraps and then they could do it.

MayoSalmon

Nobody...he is the best and will retire undefeated again

RezwoK

Frankie Lee wrote: »

Lara or Kirkland at 154 would be the most interesting fights, at 147 Pacquaio, Bradley, Thurman, Porter and Alexander could all be interesting but Floyd would be a strong favourite for all of them. Maidana, Broner and Khan are joke opposition.

Give any of them Margarito's handwraps and then they could do it.

Yea forgot to mention the handwraps! They really messed cottos face up. But in his prime he had the tools to put it to floyd...

RezwoK

MayoSalmon wrote: »

Nobody...he is the best and will retire undefeated again[/quote

Most likely. Best in his time but questions will always remain...

NuddaIreland

Look at the first Mayweather vs Castillo fight, Floyd should already have a loss on his record. As far as the present maybe there isnt anyone who can give him a loss. Pacquaio a few years ago was probably the best chance with his aggression and handspeed. Still i'd like to see that fight happen in the future as i reckon it would be the most competitive fight out there for Mayweather.

FTA69

NuddaIreland wrote: »

Look at the first Mayweather vs Castillo fight, Floyd should already have a loss on his record. As far as the present maybe there isnt anyone who can give him a loss. Pacquaio a few years ago was probably the best chance with his aggression and handspeed. Still i'd like to see that fight happen in the future as i reckon it would be the most competitive fight out there for Mayweather.

He didn't lose that fight to Castillo. It was close, but he didn't lose.

There are plenty of people who could potentially beat Floyd but they're all middleweights. At welterweight there isn't anyone out there who could come close I don't think. Bradley could give him a bit of trouble I think but not enough to win a fight convincingly.

Themonkey

well im a big mayweather fan and he is not losing id love to see him fight bradley if he beats pacman or lara but i dont think he will fight either there is one fighter who sadly isnt fighting after his accident and that was paul williams really rated him and i think he would of done mayweather

Dick phelan

Paul Williams at WW or 154 would have beaten him and actually quite brutally shame Floyd ran, Now Golovkin would destroy him and KO him, Prime Mosley gives him hell but Floyd just wins IMO. Pacquiao at his peak beats him also don't be fooled by the Manny we see today as if that somehow adds weight to the idea of Floyd winning that fight, The Pacquiao that destroyed Hatton, Cotto and ODLH was an animal and that WAS! a 50/50 Pacquiao today looses alright.

megadodge

FTA69 wrote: »

He didn't lose that fight to Castillo. It was close, but he didn't lose.

Well, you're right about one thing, officially Floyd didn't lose that fight.

It wasn't close!!

Castillo won clearly. I've watched it a number of times and the closest I have it is Castillo by FOUR rounds. The crowd were in an uproar after, with the boos raining down for ages. The commentators all had Castillo winning and after the decision was announced said "well that wasn't the fight we just watched".

I'm a long way from being on my own on this one. Loads of boxing people all over the world think the same.

NuddaIreland

FTA69 wrote: »

He didn't lose that fight to Castillo. It was close, but he didn't lose.

There are plenty of people who could potentially beat Floyd but they're all middleweights. At welterweight there isn't anyone out there who could come close I don't think. Bradley could give him a bit of trouble I think but not enough to win a fight convincingly.

Mayweather was gifted a decision for this one. Castillo threw more and landed more especially power shots. It definitely was a close fight no doubt but in my eyes Mayweather lost that fight.

NuddaIreland

pac_man wrote: »

As I indicated previously, this isn't the main criterion to scoring a fight.

Of course not but the judges don't always get it right eithier. Like i said it was a close fight and theres a lot of people out there who swayed towards Castillo as the winner unfortunately the judges didnt see it that way. I'm not a boxing judge but have been around boxing all my life and this is the way i saw the fight. We could go on til the cows come up about this and get nowhere with it

walshb

Castillo I fight was a hard fought and competitive fight. It was in no way a cert win for Castillo. I haven't watched the fight in a long time. I do recall giving the win to Castillo on overall work and pressure and control. Floyd looked quite uncomfortable throughout the fight.

12gauge dave

Dare I say it but I think khan has the speed youth punching volume and heart to beat mayweather.

That garcia hook he done well to even get up from he does have heart.

Of course his defense is weak yes but he has the speed going forward to trouble floyd and win rounds through workrate and volume of punches.

With two fights left after maidana we will prob never see him vs pacquiao which is a true tragedy. I respect his talents but floyd is a bad champion I hope in 10 years time when no one cares about him and he cant afford to have his big posse around and hes all alone in his big house he thinks to himself I should of fought manny.

Sunglasses Ron

12gauge dave wrote: »

With two fights left after maidana ......

Two me arse. With the speed at which he burns through money (six figure NFL and NBA bets being the main vice) he will be forced into coming out of retirement a few more times yet. He lives paycheck to paycheck.

http://www.badlefthook.com/2012/12/1/3715812/50-cent-video-interview-boxing-floyd-mayweather-no-investments-income

12gauge dave

Sunglasses Ron wrote: »

Two me arse. With the speed at which he burns through money (six figure NFL and NBA bets being the main vice) he will be forced into coming out of retirement a few more times yet. He lives paycheck to paycheck.

http://www.badlefthook.com/2012/12/1/3715812/50-cent-video-interview-boxing-floyd-mayweather-no-investments-income

Hes a bit like myself so living from paycheck to paycheck:)

walshb

You guys only know what the media spins as regards Floyd's money management and spending habits.

12gauge dave

walshb wrote: »

You guys only know what the media spins as regards Floyd's money management and spending habits.

He is far from broke imo hes making what 80mill a year for last couple of years thats hard to blow in all fairness he has money team clothing line now aswell he will be fine for money in life as hes approaching 40 and he doesnt drink alcohol or do drugs obviously so he can only go so wrong. Its the attention and people not interested in him when he retires that he will struggle with most Imo.

Sunglasses Ron

walshb wrote: »

You guys only know what the media spins as regards Floyd's money management and spending habits.

Well for a start it's his own spin, not media rumourmongering. He hasn't posted anything on his FB for a while but a few months ago every other day he was posting his receipts from his winnings on five or six figure bets on NBA/ NFL. Given the frequency he was posting his winning bets at, god knows how many losing ones he has had. I believe 50 on this one- basically while Floyd was in jail 50 was investing 50/50 deals that he assumed FM would contribute his half to upon his release, which he never did.

10 years from now FM will be skint and fighting journeymen for paltry purses that F all people care about watching, you mark my words. For a man with such self discipline towards the traditional sources of boxers downfall (booze, drugs, hookers) the lure of high stakes gambling is still too much for him.

Sunglasses Ron

12gauge dave wrote: »

he doesnt drink alcohol or do drugs obviously so he can only go so wrong.

For all you read about sportsmen blowing it all on booze and drugs, it is physically impossible to squander an eight figure fortune on booze and drugs. They are just too relatively cheap. The squandering comes about in casinos under the influence of said intoxicants (not that Floyd does, for such a disciplined smart bloke he somehow manages to do it fully compus mentis)

Wild_Dogger

There's only been one guy who had the potential to embarrass Floyd.
That was Manny P. a few years ago.
Floyd is a brilliant technician, but some of that can go out the window when you meet an awkward unorthodox speedy fighter.

Maybe Floyd would have won easily, maybe he would have had an omlette on his chin - we'll never know and as a business decision the fight was never going to take place - despite the biggest pay day for both fighters.

The 147 division could have been amazing if only the right fights took place.
Unfortunately that division has been both entertaining and really frustrating for most fans.

There's plenty of guys at 154 who could present a competitive fight but it is unlikely that a fight will materialize.
Saying that, I was impressed to see Mayweather fight Canelo that time

Talib Fiasco

I'd love to see Bradley fight him but that of course will never happen...fights like Golovkin/B-Hop/Andre Ward are pipe dreams but two of them would beat Floyd...Rigondeaux on steroids would embarrass Floyd...realistically there isn't many there who could beat him. I wouldn't be surprised if Canelo gets a rematch and if it's in a year or two and Canelo can still make weight he could actually do justice to the fight... I still have visions of a Maidana combo stunning Floyd and dropping him :rolleyes:

Johner

The Bradley fight would be interesting but would be a horrible spectacle.

walshb

Sunglasses Ron wrote: »

Well for a start it's his own spin, not media rumourmongering. He hasn't posted anything on his FB for a while but a few months ago every other day he was posting his receipts from his winnings on five or six figure bets on NBA/ NFL. Given the frequency he was posting his winning bets at, god knows how many losing ones he has had. I believe 50 on this one- basically while Floyd was in jail 50 was investing 50/50 deals that he assumed FM would contribute his half to upon his release, which he never did.

10 years from now FM will be skint and fighting journeymen for paltry purses that F all people care about watching, you mark my words. For a man with such self discipline towards the traditional sources of boxers downfall (booze, drugs, hookers) the lure of high stakes gambling is still too much for him.

I really doubt that he'll be broke and having to fight journeymen. You said it yourself, he posts about all his big betting wins. He's winning, no? Sure, he may have lost some bets, but to what significance? The man probably has in excess of 250 million dollars. He can afford to gamble. JP McManus is the same!

Frankie Lee

walshb wrote: »

The man probably has in excess of 250 million dollars. He can afford to gamble. JP McManus is the same!

At least Floyd has an explanation for his wealth.

megadodge

Frankie Lee wrote: »

At least Floyd has an explanation for his wealth.

???

JP is a top-class professional gambler.

I believe his biggest gamble (possibly 9 figures profit, though I'm open to correction) was on either the devaluing or rising of the Mexican peso, many moons ago.

FTA69

megadodge wrote: »

Well, you're right about one thing, officially Floyd didn't lose that fight.

It wasn't close!!

Castillo won clearly. I've watched it a number of times and the closest I have it is Castillo by FOUR rounds. The crowd were in an uproar after, with the boos raining down for ages. The commentators all had Castillo winning and after the decision was announced said "well that wasn't the fight we just watched".

I'm a long way from being on my own on this one. Loads of boxing people all over the world think the same.

Plenty of boxing people would also disagree with your assertion that he clearly lost. It was a close fight with a few rounds that could have gone either way. Could Castillo have gotten a decision also? He could have, and it wouldn't necessarily have been a bad decision. Was he blatantly robbed? Not a chance.

megadodge

FTA69 wrote: »

Plenty of boxing people would also disagree with your assertion that he clearly lost. It was a close fight with a few rounds that could have gone either way. Could Castillo have gotten a decision also? He could have, and it wouldn't necessarily have been a bad decision. Was he blatantly robbed? Not a chance.

Well, I certainly think it was a bad decision. I honestly can't see how anyone can have Floyd winning that fight. I seldom hear anybody even try to put up much of an argument for him and those that give out about the decision aren't people who just never give Floyd credit for anything (there's plenty of those). It has always flummoxed me.

gene_tunney

megadodge wrote: »

Well, you're right about one thing, officially Floyd didn't lose that fight.

It wasn't close!!

Castillo won clearly. I've watched it a number of times and the closest I have it is Castillo by FOUR rounds. The crowd were in an uproar after, with the boos raining down for ages. The commentators all had Castillo winning and after the decision was announced said "well that wasn't the fight we just watched".

I'm a long way from being on my own on this one. Loads of boxing people all over the world think the same.

I had Floyd winning both fights.

Unfortunately 99.5% of "boxing people" are completely clueless, and their opinion holds no weight.

Thegalwayman

The Big Show

The Mig

Nobody beats Mayweather at WW

megadodge

gene_tunney wrote: »

I had Floyd winning both fights.

Unfortunately 99.5% of "boxing people" are completely clueless, and their opinion holds no weight.

Wheeeeeew!!!

Now I know for certain Castillo won the first. Thanks.


While I'm at it, I see you've weaned yourself off "overrated" and the new favourite word is "clueless". Can't wait to see what the next one is

gene_tunney

megadodge wrote: »

Wheeeeeew!!!

Now I know for certain Castillo won the first. Thanks.


While I'm at it, I see you've weaned yourself off "overrated" and the new favourite word is "clueless". Can't wait to see what the next one is

I'll be sure to fill you in post-haste, you could benefit greatly from learning the lexicon of a master pugilistic cognoscente.