fitting a used oil boiler

sandydan

has anyone fitted a boiler that been idle 4 years. my old outdoor one in garage has just given up and i have a room sealed unit that i removed when upgrading parents kitchen.was going to fit outdoor model on footpath for that part of house but stanley erin stove does all heating requirement.I drained boiler after removing and regularly sprayed water jacket inside with wd40 as best i could on regular basis.the electrics are working fine,any tips appreciated thank you

scudo2

No need for WD40 if boiler kept in storage.
What boiler make and age is the one your thinking of re fitting.?
Newer A Rated boilers can save up to 30% in running costs compared to some old models.
Just because it was a sealed system boiler, it can be easly used in your open vented system with small changes. But unfortunately you have no idea of the condition of your boiler internaly, so nobody can gaurenteed its safety. But that's up to you, as your fitting it outdoors.

sandydan

thanks for that , it a firebird room sealed unit used for 1.5 yrs.and idle about 4 yrs ,had it bought for a couple of years before fitting.plumber busy, started work and went onto start about 40 jobs in between, plenty of room in garage and scope to change pipework,old model poplar 90 was fitted in 1986, i burn less than 600 litres/annually of paraffin . guess jet should be replaced. should i pressure test it first or will i leave it, problems might not show up until heating water for a few weeks anyway,and replacing will not pose a problem,

sandydan

well i fitted boiler, control box failed so switched old one instead a little smoky but gave it little extra air and working fine,.wonder is the box just that or does it vary according to model or vary input. btw was told a new burner can be got for €280 just fit and fire it up

Dtp1979

sandydan wrote: »

well i fitted boiler, control box failed so switched old one instead a little smoky but gave it little extra air and working fine,.wonder is the box just that or does it vary according to model or vary input. btw was told a new burner can be got for €280 just fit and fire it up

No, no, no, no, no don't fit and fire. It annoys me how stupid some people can be. Get your burner or any new burner, set up properly using a flue gas analyser , or it can be extremely dangerous and produce high levels of carbon monoxide

sandydan

well it make more economic sense than ripping replacing and labour at€60/hr, control box €70,jets€10 gaskets seals general horsing around associated with repairing , having said that though some say older units were more reliable??

scudo2

sandydan wrote: »

well it make more economic sense than ripping replacing and labour at€60/hr, control box €70,jets€10 gaskets seals general horsing around associated with repairing , having said that though some say older units were more reliable??

Ford Cortinas were reliable if you were happy getting 20 miles to the gallon !

And you weren't concerned with safety.

Do you know how to set up your boiler to get 6% oxygen, 11% carbon dioxide, less than 40 parts per million carbon monoxide, correct flue gas temperatures and a fully insured safety check ?

Service engineers are not in business to rip you off, but to give good value for money service.

DGOBS

was told a new burner can be got for €280 just fit and fire it up

some say older units were more reliable??

Your listening to tosh from unreliable sources.
+1 on post above me

richieburke01

Please Find an OFTEC ENGINEER who will check this unit for safety and adjust it to suit
These burners don`t even come factory set when they are new,installers have to adjust new burners too !!!!

Dtp1979

richieburke01 wrote: »

Please Find an OFTEC ENGINEER who will check this unit for safety and adjust it to suit
These burners don`t even come factory set when they are new,installers have to adjust new burners too !!!!

I've often switched on a new oil boiler and the CO PPM was around 500

richieburke01

That`s why manufacturer want the boiler passport sent back to them to validate the warranty and that the appliance is adjusted right to suit the site conditions but the customer is not aware of this???

Dtp1979

richieburke01 wrote: »

That`s why manufacturer want the boiler passport sent back to them to validate the warranty and that the appliance is adjusted right to suit the site conditions but the customer is not aware of this???

Clearly not. Unfortunately

scudo2

richieburke01 wrote: »

That`s why manufacturer want the boiler passport sent back to them to validate the warranty and that the appliance is adjusted right to suit the site conditions but the customer is not aware of this???

Most new boilers I go to service were never commissioned and still had the original settings with passport not filled in !!


Anybody any info on the actual percentage of new oil boilers that were commissioned V sales and passport returned to manufactures ?
Personaly from my own experience I'd think its quite low.

richieburke01

This is why OFTEC are trying to make it mandatory for OFTEC engineers only to sort out these problems and stop cowboys at these appliances
not knowing what they are doing causing more harm.
Not pushing for OFTEC but it must come before someone is really hurt or even killed

sandydan

DGOBS wrote: »

Your listening to tosh from unreliable sources.
+1 on post above me

will show that to my tech

sandydan

DGOBS wrote: »

Your listening to tosh from unreliable sources.
+1 on post above me

price of burner quoted,all gaskets seals etc from supplier,as fitted to A rated model

sandydan

scudo2 wrote: »

Ford Cortinas were reliable if you were happy getting 20 miles to the gallon !

And you weren't concerned with safety.

Do you know how to set up your boiler to get 6% oxygen, 11% carbon dioxide, less than 40 parts per million carbon monoxide, correct flue gas temperatures and a fully insured safety check ?

Service engineers are not in business to rip you off, but to give good value for money service.

that,s not my problem, was wondering if being idle had made it crap before getting installer, and wanted to hear householders opinions. BTW cowboys are in cold storage at moment waiting for next celtic tiger, that's why regs were needed to sort out cowboys with business cards, fake qualification flashy vans smooth talkers and working class like me now paying for the cleanup, so I will double check before hiring and will rely on those i know for recommendations and from reading posts a lot of boilers seem to give trouble anyway

jimf

a lot of the trouble boilers give are problems that existed from installation first day and not being set up properly in the first place

thank god boilers do give problems otherwise we would be sittin on our arses for a lot of the year

sandydan

scudo2 wrote: »

Ford Cortinas were reliable if you were happy getting 20 miles to the gallon !

And you weren't concerned with safety.

ford cortinas i had all returned over 30 mpg average towing trailers by fitting weber carb and brakes weren't an issue if checked and serviced properly with brake-fluid changed annually. that was above-average for time. cortinas are not issue here but in my opinion were as good as most basic cars nowadays,
my point is fuel consumption and safety are only as good as the service given and the mind set of user, regardless of unit in question

sandydan

jimf wrote: »

a lot of the trouble boilers give are problems that existed from installation first day and not being set up properly in the first place

agreed.

thank god boilers do give problems otherwise we would be sittin on our arses for a lot of the year

wouldn't shout that too loud if recommending plumbers or tech:)

richieburke01

OK Back to original question
Expello is a chemical pellet you put into a standard oil boiler it`s releases stubborn tar and ash from inside the heat exchanger but you still have to clean it down but it`s alot handier with this stuff
No need for WD 40

scudo2

jimf wrote: »

a lot of the trouble boilers give are problems that existed from installation first day and not being set up properly in the first place

thank god boilers do give problems otherwise we would be sittin on our arses for a lot of the year

Called out to fix a leaking bleed nut on a RIELLO that I previously fitted on a old boiler.
Customer was full prase for the good job I done for her when I fitted it 22 years ago (the burner) !!!!
Never any trouble or service since then.

Fcuk, it sounded like a tractors exhaust and was useing 4 tanks of oil a year.

Replacing it this summer (I hope)
As she also said that 22 years ago.!!






I can give you her No. if anybody need to check as I've already asked her permission as I reckoned it might be a record. + I don't think anybody would believe it.
M

sandydan

scudo2 wrote: »

Called out to fix a leaking bleed nut on a RIELLO that I previously fitted on a old boiler.
Customer was full prase for the good job I done for her when I fitted it 22 years ago (the burner) !!!!
Never any trouble or service since then.

Fcuk, it sounded like a tractors exhaust and was useing 4 tanks of oil a year.

Replacing it this summer (I hope)
As she also said that 22 years ago.!!






I can give you her No. if anybody need to check as I've already asked her permission as I reckoned it might be a record. + I don't think anybody would believe it.
M

the one i replaced was fitted by a Corkman in 1987 in an old water pump house at time and as result was deteriorating physically and when seal for opening air regulator leaked i decided to chuck it out,was worried about using boiler that was idle though. original burner slightly smoky burning about 600 gals paraffin as back up to back boiler only