Quick question re price?

ibFoxer

Hi all,

It's been a while since i bought anything and i saw this earlier http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/peugeot-308-sport-hdi-1-6-90-bhp/6304428

I'm wondering is it a little too cheap, everything else in the same year for that car seems to be 1.5k-2k more?

FrontDoor

foxerv1 wrote: »

Hi all,

It's been a while since i bought anything and i saw this earlier http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/peugeot-308-sport-hdi-1-6-90-bhp/6304428

I'm wondering is it a little too cheap, everything else in the same year for that car seems to be 1.5k-2k more?

Fierce miles?

You could easily buy the same car in the UK for similar money, with 60-70k less miles.

colm_mcm

Keep in mind €1500 of that price is VRT and then there's the comeback for when it goes wrong.

You'd need to be getting the car for £4500 in the uk.

There are no 09 308 HDIs on autotrader for under £4500 and under 50,000 miles.

Granted there are other cars for sale in the uk in the auctions etc, but not compatible with buying from a dealer.

This is the closest
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201403112433299/sort/default/usedcars/radius/1501/price-to/5000/page/1/fuel-type/diesel/onesearchad/used%2Cnearlynew%2Cnew/make/peugeot/maximum-mileage/up_to_50000_miles/model/308/postcode/sw193rq/engine-size-cars/1-4l_to_1-6l?logcode=p

Private sale though and zero comeback.

ibFoxer

FrontDoor wrote: »

Fierce miles?

You could easily buy the same car in the UK for similar money, with 60-70k less miles.

I know- the problem is i'm in the process of organising a mortgage, and so not to have any loans or borrowings over my head i'll be borrowing the payment for whatever i buy from my dad, and he has stipulated that it has to be from a garage and i have to be able to trade my megane. I'd sooner go the route you're suggesting but at the same time i want to keep borrowings down to further my mortgage chances.

ibFoxer

colm_mcm wrote: »

Keep in mind €1500 of that price is VRT and then there's the comeback for when it goes wrong.

Additionally i might get something on my current car as a trade. Plus Killimor is only over the road so to speak so it's fairly local.

I'm assuming of course that it's in better nick being an English car than it's Irish counterpart.

Bpmull

foxerv1 wrote: »

Additionally i might get something on my current car as a trade. Plus Killimor is only over the road so to speak so it's fairly local.

Sounds like you have your mind made up already

colm_mcm

Out of interest, What year is the megane and why are you changing?

ibFoxer

Bpmull wrote: »

Sounds like you have your mind made up already

Believe it or not i don't, more that i'm leaning heavily toward it given it's competitive price. I looked at a lesser spec one today for €2k more with similiar mileage, again a UK car.

I also looked at an Auris but €7.5 along with mine was a bit steep i thought.

Bpmull

foxerv1 wrote: »

Believe it or not i don't, more that i'm leaning heavily toward it given it's competitive price. I looked at a lesser spec one today for €2k more with similiar mileage, again a UK car.

I also looked at an Auris but €7.5 along with mine was a bit steep i thought.

You could argue its a lot of car for the money alright. But the mileage is a bit high and that is not exactly the best engine to buy if money is tight reliability as something will inevitably go wrong with it. Although I suppose is bond to go wrong on most things that have 130k miles on it.

ibFoxer

colm_mcm wrote: »

Out of interest, What year is the megane and why are you changing?

Megane is 2006 1.5 Diesel, it's beginning to falter and between myself and the auld boy we came to the conclusion that it might be worth looking into changing, and it's a good time to change in money terms, there's a bit extra floating around and it suits everyone involved- if i don't get the mortgage (hopefully i do!!) i can borrow from the credit union to cover the cost of the car immediately, but i won't know about the mortgage for a few weeks, and like i said i'd rather not borrow before the next round of paperwork goes back in.

colm_mcm

My gut feeling is that the 308 isn't a good move in that case.

FrontDoor

colm_mcm wrote: »

Keep in mind €1500 of that price is VRT and then there's the comeback for when it goes wrong.

You'd need to be getting the car for £4500 in the uk.

There are no 09 308 HDIs on autotrader for under £4500 and under 50,000 miles.

Granted there are other cars for sale in the uk in the auctions etc, but not compatible with buying from a dealer.

This is the closest
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201403112433299/sort/default/usedcars/radius/1501/price-to/5000/page/1/fuel-type/diesel/onesearchad/used%2Cnearlynew%2Cnew/make/peugeot/maximum-mileage/up_to_50000_miles/model/308/postcode/sw193rq/engine-size-cars/1-4l_to_1-6l?logcode=p

Private sale though and zero comeback.

I get you with the comeback side of things. I have done it a few times and touch wood, have not had any problems.

I looked at a lot of these cars around November and would have had one of these (s model) home for around 7500. 60k miles, off a dealer. I presume prices/stg have stiffened since then.

Main point, I would not be rushing to go buying that type of car with that sort of miles up for that kind of money.

Bpmull

foxerv1 wrote: »

Megane is 2006 1.5 Diesel, it's beginning to falter and between myself and the auld boy we came to the conclusion that it might be worth looking into changing, and it's a good time to change in money terms, there's a bit extra floating around and it suits everyone involved- if i don't get the mortgage (hopefully i do!!) i can borrow from the credit union to cover the cost of the car immediately, but i won't know about the mortgage for a few weeks, and like i said i'd rather not borrow before the next round of paperwork goes back in.

So your buying a 1.6 hdi Psa engine to replace a 1.5dci megane which is becoming unreliable id spend the money on the megane. As they are on par reliability wise. The 308 is just as likely to break your heart with problems as the megane is. What mileage is on the megane.

ibFoxer

Bpmull wrote: »

So your buying a 1.6 hdi Psa engine to replace a 1.5dci megane which is becoming unreliable id spend the money on the megane. As they are on par reliability wise. The 308 is just as likely to break your heart with problems as the megane is. What mileage is on the megane.

If memory serves it's getting near 200,00 now, has a lot of work done. Mostly the megane has had problems since day 1 truth be told, have had the injectors replace 4 times, a problem with the fuel pressure was only half rectified and it can be hit and miss on starting and sometimes the keys point blank refuse to work (1 of which is new)

Let's just say it's beginning to cost more than i bought it for now and it owes me nothing.

ibFoxer

colm_mcm wrote: »

My gut feeling is that the 308 isn't a good move in that case.

As a matter of interest why would you say that?

FrontDoor

foxerv1 wrote: »

As a matter of interest why would you say that?

I'd say it too and I wouldn't restrict it to 308s.

That is a lot of cash to put out there to buy a something with the miles where problems start to happen. It is a dangerous price point I think. Another 30k miles and the car is worthless.

To be honest, it is too close in condition to your own bus and a good chance of problems.

I'd suggest sitting on what you have and get the mortgage. Come back in 12 mths and buy something fresher.

colm_mcm

Because IMO that particular engine, whilst popular and used on a number of models across many brands is fragile, needs mammying from day 1, and could be a money pit if you don't happen to get a good one.

ibFoxer

Thanks for all the input folks- just off the phone to my mate's dad who is a mechanic, he is going to take a look at my car and give me a price on getting it as close to 100% as possible, will let everyone know what decisions are made.

ibFoxer

Just one more quick question- more a curiosity than anything else, but given that all new registration cars in Tipperary are now xx-T-xxxx instead of TN/TS, if one buys a UK reg car from say 09/10, what plate does it?

colm_mcm

In your case, it'd be TN/TS

Where a vehicle has been first brought into use in another country of origin and prior to the 1st of January 2014, and then subsequently is imported and registered in Ireland after 1st January 2014, the current registration plates TS, TN, L, LK, W, and WD will continue to be used for these pre -2014 imported vehicles, thus maintaining the integrity of the present numbering system in place for all years prior to 2014.

bazz26

At that mileage you could be staring at a few hefty bills around the corner like the DMF and DPF. Check the service history and see are there any receipts to prove these have been replaced already. DMFs and DPFs are classed as consumables and have a tendency to need replacing sooner than later with that sort of mileage.

ibFoxer

Thanks for that lads.

Quick update- the megane has a few more problems than initially thought- clutch & flywheel, fuel pump and an underlying problem with the injectors to name the 3 i remember- all told my mate's dad got quoted from the garage he used to work in for around €1700. I then took it to a friend of mine down the country a bit who is also a mechanic to have a look and he gave me a similiar figure this morning, adding in that there were also underlying electrical problems and the ECU needed to be looked at.

A friend of my dad's who specialises in second hand cars (mostly imports) has a 2010 308 with around 100k on the clock, FSH, a UK import again, and importantly not a fleet car (was privately owned but the miles are all still motorway miles) and he is willing to take the Megane allowing around €3k with another €6k for the car with a 9 month warranty, full service incl timing belt and four new tyres. After going over it with my dad and my mates dad and a quick call to my mate i decided i'd take it rather than sinking the money into the megane.

I checked with the bank and a loan under €10k will have no bearing on my application as it is well within my capacity to repay (and it helps that even though it's not needed or looked for by the credit union the auld boy has put his name as guarantour) so all in all i'm pretty happy with how it's turning out, a 308 was never a car i imagined buying but the opinion of the court is this one is value, and it's a bit of luck, right place right time etc as yer man literally got it last week and has been over it with a fine tooth comb. (just to add his record is pretty impeccable, he is well regarded for not selling muck in my locality)

JohnBoy26

why does it have to be a 308? They are poor cars and the 1.6 hdi engine in them isn't renowned for its reliability.

id be looking elsewhere tbh if reliability and build quality is of concern.

colm_mcm

ibFoxer

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

why does it have to be a 308? They are poor cars and the 1.6 hdi engine in them isn't renowned for its reliability.

id be looking elsewhere tbh if reliability and build quality is of concern.

It's not specifically a 308 i was looking for at all, just saw one at what i thought was good value and looked into them. Took a spin in the mother in laws and i quite liked it, asked a few people who have them that i know through work and everyone was happy with it. No bad reports in fact. But i thought i had found a Qashqai on Sunday and was all set to go to see it until the aforementioned seller came back with his, went for a look last night and tonight again, took it for a good spin tonight actually, and sat down with the older heads to discuss, and landed at "i's" being shook and hands dotted.

JohnBoy26

foxerv1 wrote: »

It's not specifically a 308 i was looking for at all, just saw one at what i thought was good value and looked into them. Took a spin in the mother in laws and i quite liked it, asked a few people who have them that i know through work and everyone was happy with it. No bad reports in fact. But i thought i had found a Qashqai on Sunday and was all set to go to see it until the aforementioned seller came back with his, went for a look last night and tonight again, took it for a good spin tonight actually, and sat down with the older heads to discuss, and landed at "i's" being shook and hands dotted.

You mightn't have got bad reports but that doesn't change the fact that they are a poor car.

I'd seriously advise you to look at something else. A Hyundai i30 or a KIA cee'd for example are vastly superior cars to 308 with regards to build quality and reliability.