3rd year of BVD programme

WexTK

Hi all,
I've almost completed year 3 of BVD eradication programme -that's me done of it then so I assume? If so, is it safe not to vaccinate the dairy herd this year against BVD? Afterall, the point of it all was to be rid of the disease...

Damo810

Rovi answered the question well in another topic.

greysides wrote: »

The answer to that isn't clear cut. Other than to say it's always safer to vaccinate than not to.

So it becomes a risk assessment....

do you buy in? Cows? Heifers? Bull? Replacing a dead calf?
do you have your own machinery for spreading slurry or dung?
do your neighbours have cattle?
do they put down their PIs?
how good are your fences?
what people visit your farm?
are you the only inhabitant of your own island?

And so on.

IMO, anyone who has been vaccinating probably should continue to do so. They have an investment to protect. Also, they either have had a problem or were 'careful' people to start with so they can see why they should.

The hope would be that eventually the answer would become 'NO' but as we can see from the topic of this thread the infidels (unbelievers) are not helping matters.

There is no technical impediment to eradicating this disease from Ireland. Only human ones.

freedominacup

WexTK wrote: »

Hi all,
I've almost completed year 3 of BVD eradication programme -that's me done of it then so I assume? If so, is it safe not to vaccinate the dairy herd this year against BVD? Afterall, the point of it all was to be rid of the disease...

All that means is you're well placed to be in the first trial for whatever scheme they will come up with next to keep the likes of enfer busy. It's like they are keeping them lit in case they need the facilities in place if something major kicks off and they have to do a lot of testing in a hurry. Enfer shouldhave put themselves out of business a few years ago once bse was controlled/eradicated.

mahoney_j

WexTK wrote: »

Hi all,
I've almost completed year 3 of BVD eradication programme -that's me done of it then so I assume? If so, is it safe not to vaccinate the dairy herd this year against BVD? Afterall, the point of it all was to be rid of the disease...

Comming to the endvofvtear 3 too and all clear but no way I'll stop vaccinating as itvis too big a risk especially when I've got neighbours who buy and sell cattle.also the amount of guys holding pi calves is shocking and making a mess of all the good work. Done by the majority irrelevant as we will never be Bvd free until the dept imposes restrictions on these herds

kevthegaff

im nearly 2/3 through my second year and clear so far, i was sure i would have pi s as i bought from different herds starting up 6 years ago, my brother who has a closed herd has 2 which we were not expecting

freedominacup

mahoney_j wrote: »

Comming to the endvofvtear 3 too and all clear but no way I'll stop vaccinating as itvis too big a risk especially when I've got neighbours who buy and sell cattle.also the amount of guys holding pi calves is shocking and making a mess of all the good work. Done by the majority irrelevant as we will never be Bvd free until the dept imposes restrictions on these herds

We were talking about this today. If ever there was a case for a website to expose dodgy practices this is one. All names of knuckleheads who have retained pi calves should be on a database with a link on agfood. If they keep these animals for any longer than a month after the database goes live they should be on it permanently. Everyone id entitled to know who they are so as to be able to avoid dealing with them. If they are doing this what other sharp practice are they involved with?

Dairyie

Hi there
As far as I know when 3 years BVD complete you will have to take part in surveillance programme, either blood or bulk milk samples will be used for this,

Also agree on the big problem of herds retaining PI calves, all the info is on the database so surely they could be acting upon this quiet easily, as far as I know if u hold on to a PI you will have to continue tag and test as not fully sticking by the rules,

Best to tag early and remove PI s ASAP before they infect heifers in calf, unless u want to find yourself with several PI's!

Hope this helps

whelan2

am into year 3 here also ,oh asked me last night when i was getting the samples ready for posting what they where:rolleyes:

towzer2010

whelan2 wrote: »

am into year 3 here also ,oh asked me last night when i was getting the samples ready for posting what they where:rolleyes:

Funnily enough when my wife found a few samples waiting in the freezer before posting she asked me a similar question......."what the f**k are these":eek:

rushvalley

nearly done my 3 years testing here. Thought I'd have a clean sheet until I got a text back today saying 1 of the fcukers was positive :mad: I dropped the tagger on the ground with the sample in it. Would this cause it to come back positive or has he definately got BVD ??

J.O. Farmer

That quite possibly could especially if the ground was dirty. Also he might have bvd but only be transiently infected and not pi. It would probably be worth retesting him.

rushvalley

ya hopefully thats all!! have to wait 3 weeks before I can retest him and the cow.

whelan2

J.O. Farmer wrote: »

That quite possibly could especially if the ground was dirty. Also he might have bvd but only be transiently infected and not pi. It would probably be worth retesting him.

do you not have to retest them anyway and the dam?

RightTurnClyde

Why were the rules set up allowing the option of keeping the PI on the farm. Could they not have made it compulsory to dispose of the PI as soon as one showed up?

moy83

RightTurnClyde wrote: »

Why were the rules set up allowing the option of keeping the PI on the farm. Could they not have made it compulsory to dispose of the PI as soon as one showed up?

Welcome aboard . I'm guessing they didnt make it compulsory to get rid because they would have to give compensation

valtraman

Don't worry we will be sending samples for years to come, sure when the dept of ag wont back up good farmers who got rid of positive calves by chasing the others what can we do . wait and see announcement "because farmers didn't remove bvd positive calves " vets will have to take the samples in future or some other stupid extra unworkable expensive regulation ,another way to penalise the majority of honerable farmers because of a small few wasters

J.O. Farmer

RightTurnClyde wrote: »

Why were the rules set up allowing the option of keeping the PI on the farm. Could they not have made it compulsory to dispose of the PI as soon as one showed up?

If they made it compulsory to dispose of them they would have to pay compensation like with TB.

onyerbikepat

I did the voluntary year aswell, but didn't get it recognised as I forgot to BVD test a calf that died at birth.:mad:

Charliebull

towzer2010 wrote: »

Funnily enough when my wife found a few samples waiting in the freezer before posting she asked me a similar question......."what the f**k are these":eek:

Freezer:eek:, I never freeze them,

moy83

Charliebull wrote: »

Freezer:eek:, I never freeze them,

Fridge is all they get here too

C4d78

onyerbikepat wrote: »

I did the voluntary year aswell, but didn't get it recognised as I forgot to BVD test a calf that died at birth.:mad:

Did you not send in the appeal pre Christmas?

Charliebull

moy83 wrote: »

Fridge is all they get here too

Don't get fridge either, front seat of car

moy83

Charliebull wrote: »

Don't get fridge either, front seat of car

I reckon it makes shag all difference . The woman in the post office told me an ould boy came in at Christmas with a bag of samples , some of them gathered since Sept . He said he had them left in the shed until he was finished calving because he wasn't going to waste his money on individual samples . I must aske her again did he fare out alright , I bet he did

towzer2010

Ya it probably doesn't make much difference but I seem to remember the info that came with it the first year said to store in a freezer till posting.

frazzledhome

I'm getting a lot of empty sample messages. About 2 % empty, anyone else find this?

Charliebull

frazzledhome wrote: »

I'm getting a lot of empty sample messages. About 2 % empty, anyone else find this?

Got two last year, pain in the arse, check in sample before sealing,

Genghis Cant

frazzledhome wrote: »

I'm getting a lot of empty sample messages. About 2 % empty, anyone else find this?

What do you do in the case of an empty sample? How do you retake a sample when you've already used the ear notch via tagging? Is it a vet job to take blood?

whelan2

Genghis Cant wrote: »

What do you do in the case of an empty sample? How do you retake a sample when you've already used the ear notch via tagging? Is it a vet job to take blood?

order a tag

Charliebull

Genghis Cant wrote: »

What do you do in the case of an empty sample? How do you retake a sample when you've already used the ear notch via tagging? Is it a vet job to take blood?

cut off ear and post to enfer, when they have finished ask them to post back and reattach:rolleyes:

order new button tag,

Greengrass1

frazzledhome wrote: »

I'm getting a lot of empty sample messages. About 2 % empty, anyone else find this?

Sure them jex haven't enough meat in the ear to get a sample

WexTK

I'm vaccinating the dairy herd with Bovalis BVD, should I give the stock bull an injection too or is it redundant to do so?

frazzledhome

WexTK wrote: »

I'm vaccinating the dairy herd with Bovalis BVD, should I give the stock bull an injection too or is it redundant to do so?

Do him and if he's not been done before he'll need a booster