Was that the best they could do?

ruthloss

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-foyle-west-26642097...

I suppose they were called away to some thing important.

kneemos

Couldn't be arsed dealing with a drunk.....maybe.

ruthloss

kneemos wrote: »

Couldn't be arsed dealing with a drunk.....maybe.

Did'nt read anything about drink there Kneemos. You know something I don't?

kneemos

ruthloss wrote: »

Did'nt read anything about drink there Kneemos. You know something I don't?

I said maybe.

kneemos

kneemos wrote: »

I said maybe.

You said they couldn't be arsed dealing with a drunk....maybe.

That implied that the woman was drunk, and they were maybe not arsed helping her. What you didn't say was "maybe the woman was drunk and they couldn't have been arsed helping her". Different thing. You know that already though.

That's a really worrying story. Leaving a woman potentially in the path of a bus, for any reason whatsoever is utterly disgraceful. She may have been drunk, she may have been diabetic, she may have been having a stroke. Whatever the reason it's hard to believe that anyone, but especially the police, would do such a thing to another human being.

jimgoose

kneemos wrote: »

Couldn't be arsed dealing with a drunk.....maybe.

Even if she was drunk, which is by no means inferred anywhere in that article, that's hardly here-or-there, is it?

kneemos

jimgoose wrote: »

Even if she was drunk, which is by no means inferred anywhere in that article, that's hardly here-or-there, is it?

Merely suggesting a possibility.
I agree they should have done more but maybe they've dealt with her previously.Who knows?

sausagehead

the girl was treated like roadkill

two PSNI jobs going in derry, will be the upside to a high unemployment area!

maximoose

When I see "incapacitated" and "on St Patrick's Day" together, my first thoughts would be drunk.

Doesn't excuse their actions regardless if that was the cause.

steddyeddy

This stood out:

PSNI Assistant Chief Constable George Hamilton said "at a first view" the police were seriously concerned.
Mr Hamilton said the behaviour, was "well below the standards we expect from our officers in dealing with vulnerable people whether the vulnerability is due to alcohol or anything else".


"It was horrendous. There was a build up to this incident from ten to 15 minutes previous.
"Our job is to keep people safe it didn't look to me like we were doing that"
"Suspension will be a consideration but the police are awaiting ombudsman recommendations."
Northern Ireland's Deputy First Minister Martin McGuinness tweeted that the video was "totally unacceptable".

Every police force makes mistakes. The mistakes aren't the problem as much as how they deal with them. The current garda commissioner lied to our parliament, ignored allegations of serious breaches within our police force and ignored ombudsman recommendations.

Link it with the response above and decide which one you as a people deserve.

knotknowbody

It looks worse than it is, they were probably on their way to a more serious incident, found her in a live traffic lane, moved her to a bus lane which was not live due to the parked cars just to the left in the video and proceded on their way.

We don't know what operational pressures they were under, what other incidents they were en route to, or that they didn't radio for an ambulance or other unit to come and sort her out, I agree they should have moved her another few feet to the footpath, but they did move her to a much safer position than her initial position, I'd be waiting for more facts about the incident before I criticize the two officers as heavily as some have.

Rhotheta

knotknowbody wrote: »

It looks worse than it is, they were probably on their way to a more serious incident, found her in a live traffic lane, moved her to a bus lane which was not live due to the parked cars just to the left in the video and proceded on their way.

We don't know what operational pressures they were under, what other incidents they were en route to, or that they didn't radio for an ambulance or other unit to come and sort her out, I agree they should have moved her another few feet to the footpath, but they did move her to a much safer position than her initial position, I'd be waiting for more facts about the incident before I criticize the two officers as heavily as some have.

They left her on the road, no excuses, that's sickening, in 5 seconds they could have moved her to the path. They should be fired.

The Backwards Man

Longer video here. Pedestrians, half a dozen cars and a bus also carried on past after the cops left. Not that that excuses the cops, initially I thought they were perhaps waiting for a female unit to come to sort it out, but the two officers in the video are actually female.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keRRq-f-X0E

The budding Michael Moores don't cover themselves in glory either.

kowloon

Quite a few medical conditions that would make someone look like they were drunk. The bus lane aside, they could have been dumping someone that needed to be in A&E.

kneemos

Maybe she stank of alcohol.
Maybe she's well known to them.
They can't be babysitting everyone that drinks too much if indeed such was the case.

knotknowbody

Just seen a longer vid of this, they arrested her boyfriend just before, he was in the back of the car, she was protesting, ran up to the car and tried to open the door to get him out and basically threw a drunken hissy fit and lay down in the road when she couldn't get him out.

They carried her to the relative safety of the non-live bus lane and then brought her boyfriend to the nick, according to a bbc article she wants them sacked for leaving her where she could have been killed stone dead, personal responsibility is obviously something she has no concept of.

If she was acting the numpty resisting his arrest and refusing to be helped then what more could the cops really do besides maybe carry her the extra few feet to the footpath, however she was resisting even that, she was not incapacitated because about 30 seconds before she was running up the middle of the street to try and get her boyfriend out of the car.

The Backwards Man

Link to the extra footage on the BBC website.

Sulla Felix

kneemos wrote: »

Maybe she stank of alcohol.
Maybe she's well known to them.
They can't be babysitting everyone that drinks too much if indeed such was the case.

knotknowbody wrote: »

Just seen a longer vid of this, they arrested her boyfriend just before, he was in the back of the car, she was protesting, ran up to the car and tried to open the door to get him out and basically threw a drunken hissy fit and lay down in the road when she couldn't get him out.

They carried her to the relative safety of the non-live bus lane and then brought her boyfriend to the nick, according to a bbc article she wants them sacked for leaving her where she could have been killed stone dead, personal responsibility is obviously something she has no concept of.

If she was acting the numpty resisting his arrest and refusing to be helped then what more could the cops really do besides maybe carry her the extra few feet to the footpath, however she was resisting even that, she was not incapacitated because about 30 seconds before she was running up the middle of the street to try and get her boyfriend out of the car.

Pretty sure the PSNI have a specific duty of care to the public. From the sounds of it, what they should have done was nicked her too. If the fella was restrained and in their custody, they could easily have waited for another vehichle to arrive for her.

kneemos

Sulla Felix wrote: »

Pretty sure the PSNI have a specific duty of care to the public. From the sounds of it, what they should have done was nicked her too. If the fella was restrained and in their custody, they could easily have waited for another vehichle to arrive for her.

There was nothing wrong with her.

orangesoda

Doris Watsons view on the matter

www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PgA7V6NTUw&t=7m49s

Sulla Felix

kneemos wrote: »

There was nothing wrong with her.

I thought maybe she was drunk?

kneemos

Sulla Felix wrote: »

I thought maybe she was drunk?

May have been but that ain't illegal yet.

Cee-Jay-Cee

kneemos wrote: »

Couldn't be arsed dealing with a drunk.....maybe.

You were correct. She admitted herself in radio that she was intoxicated. She's a member of the mobile community, well known and fair play to them for dumping her sorry ass. She got herself into that state, let her look after her self.

She wants them sacked now as, to quote her "I could have been kilt"

Pwindedd

CJC999 wrote: »

She wants them sacked now as, to quote her "I could have been kilt"

Yeh as much as any one can be killed in a bus stop between 2 parked cars. She was up running around trying to get into the car 5 mins earlier. She already has 13 previous convictions at the tender age of 23 so I'd say she is already well known to these officers as a complete nuisance. It's not a case of them leaving her to die in heavy traffic. They had just arrested her "friend" and placed him in the car - he was either alone (unlikely) or attended by just one other officer (more likely). The only thing more they could have done is kicked her sorry ass up the kerb instead of next to it IMO.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-foyle-west-25625137

orangesoda

your man didn't want to be identified but all you have to do is google map 'John Street' and you will see that he was filming from a block of apartments, he doesn't show his face but we know where he lives