New holland TL or TS

yellow50HX

My ideas of upgrading the 7610 has taken yet another turn, it's moved a lot over the last while.

The latest notion to enter my head is to semi retire the digger and 3000 which do almost all the winter work. I actually have no idea what hours are up on the hx now as the clock stopped a few years ago but I could be doing close on 1000 hrs a year probably more.

So I was thinking of actually spending a bit more and getting something that will be used for pretty much everything and I can spare the digger for doing digger work and let the old 3000 have a nice handy retirement doing the odd bits in the summer.

It would need to be able to do the main tractor work, spreading fertiliser, topping, light tillage, trailer work, etc. it would need to be able to replace the diggers loader work espically handling silage bales. Also ideally I'd like to use also to clean the passage ways so would need to be able fit into the sheds.

We have always had fords round here and after looking into different brands but I want to get a new holland. To replace the tractor I want something with the same hp in around 100hp. I was initially looking at a 7610 4wd but they are quite expense for you get so I saw the 7635 as a very viable. These would be ideal for all the tractor I would be doing and still nimble enough to get around my narrow sheds and one I could use for scraping the passages. These would also be fine for loader work too but with the mechanical gearing/shuttle and dry clutch would not be comparable to the ease of the shuttle on the digger. So in order to have a comparable shuttle I would need to move up to the wet clutch models like the TL or TS.

So what are main differences between the TS and TL? I know the TL is smaller and from the fiat stable and the TS from the old ford seris 40's.

Are they both roughly the same length and width so have they the same manoeuvrability? Would they be better then my 2wd 7610?

Would a TS be better for lifting bales without a weight box on the back?

Zr105

Being honest there will probably be very little difference between the 2 when it comes to lifting so long as the loaders are sized properly.
We had a tanco 260 loader on a ts100, neighbour had a tl90 with the nh fl100 loader on it, side by side there was only an inch or 2 in lift height, biggest difference was actually due to the tanco was nonself leveling but the nh was self leveling.

Now as to the tractors, always preferred the ts cab personally, main reason being you sit higher and have a bit more head room, found i used to hit the head an odd time gettin out of the older tl's and I'm only 5'10...

ts100 we had was turned up to a pinch over the 100, was a good yoke to go, but dead enough if the revs dropped down as you lost the turbo really.
Neighbours tl90 was every bit as good a yoke to pull, very torquey in the lower end, more so than the ts anyways.
The tl would be a bit tidier around the yard and tight sheds, though they both have similar enough lock.
One thing i hate on the tl's is the hand brake is on the right, its minor and you think it wouldn't bother me as the diggers is down there but i always find myself reaching done with the left hand beside the seat

jimmy G M

http://www.tractordata.com/farm-tractors/003/1/1/3116-new-holland-ts100.html

Check out tractordata for the details on weight, wheelbase etc you are looking for. There's little difference between them in most measures, TL a little heavier, TS faster hydraulics.

A couple of years ago we were changing the loader tractor here and I did a good bit of checking around. If it were my choice at the time I would have gone for a NH TL 90 / 100 however my father was writing the cheque and he prefers red so we ended up with a MF 4255 and must say we are happy with this.

However I would rate the TL very highly and if given a choice between this and a TS I would go TL. Very marginal but I prefer the Fiat heritage over the Ford. Had a TL with loader out on hire for a few days in the summer of 2012, (remember those heavy bales) and must say excellent visibility, and stable with bales on board

yellow50HX

What's the shuttle like in them? Would I still need to clutch when doing loader work in the low gears?

Seen a few of the TS have the same Rhs shuttle like in the seris 40's, is this just a dump switch and dry clutch?

f140

yellow50HX wrote: »

What's the shuttle like in them? Would I still need to clutch when doing loader work in the low gears?

Seen a few of the TS have the same Rhs shuttle like in the seris 40's, is this just a dump switch and dry clutch?

you will find it an awful step back to come from a digger to a tractor and loader. no matter how strong the tractor and loader it still wont touch the 50hx for durability. you could drive into something and have the wheels spinning on the 50hx but you will make ****e of a loader on a tractor doing this as they aren't near as strong. the 50hx will also be twice as fast to do loader related jobs.


id keep the 50 hx for the laoder work and just get a tractor for tractor work if that's what you want.


if the 50hx is doing so much of the work why not just trade her in for a newer model and keep what ever tractor you have. 50hxs make good money and buy a new fermec/terex 860?

yellow50HX

f140 wrote: »

you will find it an awful step back to come from a digger to a tractor and loader. no matter how strong the tractor and loader it still wont touch the 50hx for durability. you could drive into something and have the wheels spinning on the 50hx but you will make ****e of a loader on a tractor doing this as they aren't near as strong. the 50hx will also be twice as fast to do loader related jobs.


id keep the 50 hx for the laoder work and just get a tractor for tractor work if that's what you want.


if the 50hx is doing so much of the work why not just trade her in for a newer model and keep what ever tractor you have. 50hxs make good money and buy a new fermec/terex 860?

It had crossed my mind and I have looked at it too, had to rebuild the engine a few years ago but wouldn't get the value of that back if I sold it. Up grading the tractor to say a 7810 4wd would mean spending around 10k and that would only be coming up a few years. The digger has a lot of work done and I would be lost without it.

As one of the other treads has said there isn't much value in second hand tractors at the mo.

jimmy G M

yellow50HX wrote: »

What's the shuttle like in them? Would I still need to clutch when doing loader work in the low gears?

Seen a few of the TS have the same Rhs shuttle like in the seris 40's, is this just a dump switch and dry clutch?

The TLs come with either a dry clutch or wet clutch. The dry clutch has a forward-reverse gear lever on the LHS of the seat. You need to clutch to change direction. The wet clutch is a shuttle lever on the LHS of the steering wheel and can be operated easily for loader work. You can move from forward to reverse without clutching.

I have no experience of the shuttle in the TS.

Zr105

yellow50HX wrote: »

What's the shuttle like in them? Would I still need to clutch when doing loader work in the low gears?

Seen a few of the TS have the same Rhs shuttle like in the seris 40's, is this just a dump switch and dry clutch?

the shuttle isnt bad, but like f140 says it wont touch the hx! and the right hand isnt to bad, just hit the button and shuttle lever, although at times it throws a hissy fit and you have to clutch(mainly when your going to fast)

id have to agree with f140 on the point that i wouldnt buy a tractor loader really to replace the digger, 2 different leagues altogether, whilst the tractor loader here is a good heavy lump theres still plenty of jobs id be leaving to the hx here, the likes of cleaning out sheds especially, a decent fork on the front and she wont flinch at starting to lift the rear breaking out lumps all day long, not something id be wanting to do on tractor...

yellow50HX

Looking at the prices out there and not wanting to go mental I think I'll keep my search to seris 40's or 35's and most likely from somewhere up north too and stick a loader on it but keep the heavy loader work for the digger. Then trade my beloved hx for a newer model in a few years.
Like you say it'll cost me a lot of money to get up to the same workability it a tractor and loader. Was in a dealership during the week and just for the craic told the sales man I was looking at getting a new tractor and loader around the 120hp mark.They had a few bits out the back I could shift with the loader to try it out. The new tractors and loaders are on a par with digger but for €80k was well above my budget.