F! Competition: Should the rule to use the official results apply to round 1?

Firewalkwithme

Everyone who plays the F1 Competition is entitled to have their voice heard as the game is not owned or run by any one individual or a nominated group.

There is a poll currently running in this forum that so far shows that the vast majority of players want to use the official results rather than the end of race result.

With that in mind I would like to ask the following question of you all:

Should the official result be used for Round 1, the Australian Grand Prix

or

Should the official results only be used from Round 2 onward (assuming the votes passes in favour of using the official result)

Sparks43

How can a rule be changed after the race has been run.

Even putting it to a vote is undemocratic as the people who vote will be biased.

Firewalkwithme

No, the official results should only apply from Malaysia, Round 2 onward.

Sparks43 wrote: »

How can a rule be changed after the race has been run.

Very easily, and since it will be some time before we know the official result this will be a good test case and it should add a little extra interest to the competition. You only have to look at all the chatter about it on the forum today and the amount of votes on the rule change poll show that there is quite a lot of interest in this.

Even putting it to a vote is undemocratic as the people who vote will be biased.

I don't think that is the case. We don't know what the official result actually is yet so we are in fact voting on a future unknown event. If you want to bring bias into this all I need to point out is that it serves you well to use to end of race result which is known to you as this would see you score more points than you would receive should Ricciardo be excluded later.

Sparks43

Points I score if rule stays same 110
If it changes I get 100

Wow what a difference

We won't talk about the 35 points it adds to your score if he stays chucked out shall we

Firewalkwithme

No, the official results should only apply from Malaysia, Round 2 onward.

Sparks43 wrote: »

Points I score if rule stays same 110
If it changes I get 100

Wow what a difference

We won't talk about the 35 points it adds to your score if he stays chucked out shall we

You are wrong, it would not make a difference of 35 points to me if Ricciardo is excluded, it's a 10 point difference, the same as for you.

As I already said, we don't know if their will even be any difference but you certainly do know that you will be better off if there is none.

You are entitled to your opinion and I hope you will respect the fact that everyone else is entitled to the same as I will, regardless of the outcome.

restingpilgrim

How far does the "Official Result" go what if a team has its first six results nullified due to a technical infringement at a later date, this is why even most bookmakers pay on the end of race result ie once podium presentations are made.

Myrddin

I'd agree with Sparks43 that if the rule does get amended, it should be from Round 2 onwards to prevent potential bias.

restingpilgrim wrote: »

this is why even most bookmakers pay on the end of race result ie once podium presentations are made.

Isn't that done because there's money involved. The table can be easily updated to reflect updated standings, so there's no confusion at all.

antodeco

I think it's only fair that any any changes come into effect from round 2, if they do change.

Firewalkwithme

No, the official results should only apply from Malaysia, Round 2 onward.

I am fully expecting that this vote will go in favour of applying the rule from round two onward but the important thing here is that everyone has had the chance to be included in the decision making rather then a decision being made by one self interested person on behalf of all players.

It's also good to see that a number of people who voted to have the official results applied to round 1 did not do so for any personal gain and could potentially have lost points by doing so. I think that is a great example of fair play and good sportsmanship, true to the spirit in which a fun game like this should be played.

Whatever the outcome, even if it is not the one I may want, you won't be seeing me here throwing a strop and threatening to quit the game.

recyclebin

No, the official results should only apply from Malaysia, Round 2 onward.

it's 9 all in the poll!!

ZiabR

No, the official results should only apply from Malaysia, Round 2 onward.

It will negatively affect me but YES they should be still used. We were not to know Red Bull would end up getting kicked out. Fair is fair.

Sparks43

LIGHTNING wrote: »

I have nothing to do with this in any way but surely it has to be on the official results? On the results page at the end of the race I have ever done it says "unofficial results" and something about they can be changed depending on penalties etc.

The way it has always been run is that the results at end of race are the ones that count.I have no issue with the rule changing for round 2 onwards as that has been decided by voting before the race starts.

Changing the result after the first race has been run cannot be correct in any way though.

recyclebin

No, the official results should only apply from Malaysia, Round 2 onward.

When does this poll close?

63 people entered the competition in round 1 but so far only 28 have voted in this poll to decide the results.

Reminds me of a Crimean referendum the way things have gone on.

Myrddin

recyclebin wrote: »

When does this poll close?

Both polls should be complete before quali for the next GP I think...

Reminds me of a Crimean referendum the way things have gone on.

How so? It's a public vote with no obligation to vote, vote for the change, or to vote for it to remain the same...there'll be no hassle at all at the end of the voting as the majority will have spoken, so it's pretty fair if you ask me

Sparks43

recyclebin wrote: »

When does this poll close?

63 people entered the competition in round 1 but so far only 28 have voted in this poll to decide the results.

Reminds me of a Crimean referendum the way things have gone on.

Why not close it after Red Bull have their appeal heard and get reinstated then reopen the poll when the FIA kick them back out. Horner then goes to Putin for help and he sends troops into Spa,Hockenheim,Budapest and Monaco but leaves the Red Bull ring alone.

Another Boards poll then gets created with 80% voting to let Russia take control of Europe as long as they get the 25 points from the stray bomb that hit the melbourne podium 6 weeks after the race finished.

Firewalkwithme

No, the official results should only apply from Malaysia, Round 2 onward.

Myrddin wrote: »

Both polls should be complete before quali for the next GP I think...

I didn't set a closing date for the poll so it's going to be open for far longer than required. In my opinion, I would think that wherever the poll stands at the point antodeco is setting up the competition for round 2, that would be the time to fix the result so that the rules can be stated clearly as soon as round 2 begins.

Myrddin

Cartoon_Head wrote: »

I didn't set a closing date for the poll so it's going to be open for far longer than required. In my opinion, I would think that wherever the poll stands at the point antodeco is setting up the competition for round 2, that would be the time to fix the result so that the rules can be stated clearly as soon as round 2 begins.

Sounds fair to me anyway

Ghost Train

Kind of surprised theres even a vote for this, competition rules are surely set before the competition and then competition runs to those rules. Always been aware of the results at end of race standing having posted some polls in the past, always had "Results at the end of the race stand."

If you really wanted a post race rule change to be fair, it would have to be a unanimous vote for rule change with effort made to contact all users affected