1.4 Petrol - 2008 or 2009

xpto

Hello,

I was wondering if anyone has one of the following cars (2008 or 2009) and would be able to provide an opinion in terms of pros and cons:

- Kia Ceed 1.4
- Hyundai i30 1.4
- Skoda Octavia 1.4
- Citroen C4 1.4

Open to other suggestions within family cars category.

If there is another thread with same topic it would be great if you could point me on that direction.

Thanks for any help.

pablo128

xpto wrote: »

Hello,

I was wondering if anyone has one of the following cars (2008 or 2009) and would be able to provide an opinion in terms of pros and cons:

- Kia Ceed 1.4
- Hyundai i30 1.4
- Skoda Octavia 1.4
- Citroen C4 1.4

Open to other suggestions within family cars category.

If there is another thread with same topic it would be great if you could point me on that direction.

Thanks for any help.

I'd have none of those. IMO the only reason to buy a Hyundai/Kia is for the warranty, which would be expired by now.
Toyota Auris/Corolla without a shadow of a doubt is the most reliable 1.4 car out there. Or maybe a Honda Civic.

punisher5112

Hi,

What sort of driving is involved and how big a family in terms of what you will be carrying as these would be underpowered for the size of the cars of that era.

xpto

punisher5112 wrote: »

Hi,

What sort of driving is involved and how big a family in terms of what you will be carrying as these would be underpowered for the size of the cars of that era.

I saw that these engines have around 100hp so I was assuming they would perform quite well, however I haven´t tried one yet. How would they perform with 4 passengers? Would they be too noise when driving motorway? High fuel consumption?

Thanks

pablo128

The Octavia would be a very heavy car for that size of engine. Really, it should have a 1.6 at a minimum.
The others would be ok/adequate with a 1.4. I presume you are looking at petrol models?

JohnBoy26

pablo128 wrote: »

I'd have none of those. IMO the only reason to buy a Hyundai/Kia is for the warranty, which would be expired by now.
Toyota Auris/Corolla without a shadow of a doubt is the most reliable 1.4 car out there. Or maybe a Honda Civic.

The Hyundai i30 and KIA cee'd are both very good cars.

They both are better cars than the corolla/auris which are poor cars in most departments and are cheaply built. Reliability isn't anything to write home about either on them.

CiniO

Out of curiosity OP - why are you limiting your options to 1.4 on 08-09 car which tax will be based on emissions anyway?

xpto

pablo128 wrote: »

The Octavia would be a very heavy car for that size of engine. Really, it should have a 1.6 at a minimum.
The others would be ok/adequate with a 1.4. I presume you are looking at petrol models?

I am indeed, mainly because I don´t drive enough miles to go with a diesel and looking at 1.4 to save on tax road.

punisher5112

xpto wrote: »

I am indeed, mainly because I don´t drive enough miles to go with a diesel and looking at 1.4 to save on tax road.

Check the emmisions as some bigger engines are as good as small check the price for after 08.

1.6 would be a better engine as you don't have to push it as hard as a 1.4 to get it going.

CiniO

xpto wrote: »

I am indeed, mainly because I don´t drive enough miles to go with a diesel and looking at 1.4 to save on tax road.

As I mentioned above - motor tax on cars 08 onwards is calculated on CO2 emissions - not engine capacity.
F.e. Hyundai i30, costs the same to tax in 1.4 and 1.6 petrol versions.
Difference in fuel economy is negligible between those two engines - if any.

xpto

punisher5112 wrote: »

Check the emmisions as some bigger engines are as good as small check the price for after 08.

1.6 would be a better engine as you don't have to push it as hard as a 1.4 to get it going.

Would you recommend any in particular? Because Kia Ceed and Hyundai i30 1.6 petrol were not made available in Ireland, I looked at Leon 1.6 for example but tax road was between 500 and 600 euro...

xpto

CiniO wrote: »

As I mentioned above - motor tax on cars 08 onwards is calculated on CO2 emissions - not engine capacity.
F.e. Hyundai i30, costs the same to tax in 1.4 and 1.6 petrol versions.
Difference in fuel economy is negligible between those two engines - if any.

I couldn´t find the 1.6 petrol and the ones I looked at the tax road was between 500 and 600 euro.

punisher5112

xpto wrote: »

Would you recommend any in particular? Because Kia Ceed and Hyundai i30 1.6 petrol were not made available in Ireland, I looked at Leon 1.6 for example but tax road was between 500 and 600 euro...

What sort of driving will you be doing?
Short/long, town/motorway?

JohnBoy26

xpto wrote: »

Would you recommend any in particular? Because Kia Ceed and Hyundai i30 1.6 petrol were not made available in Ireland, I looked at Leon 1.6 for example but tax road was between 500 and 600 euro...

Nothing wrong with the performance of a 1.4 kia/ Hyundai. They have 108bhp which is above or on par with many 1.6 engines. You would be better off buying an example registered before mid 2008 though as it will be on the cc tax system, thus being cheaper to tax.

xpto

punisher5112 wrote: »

What sort of driving will you be doing?
Short/long, town/motorway?

It will be mostly town.

punisher5112

xpto wrote: »

It will be mostly town.

Then as you have decided on 1.4 that would be ideal for what you need.

Town driving and that will be fine for cars you have picked.

xpto

CiniO wrote: »

Out of curiosity OP - why are you limiting your options to 1.4 on 08-09 car which tax will be based on emissions anyway?

When looking at the 1.6 used cars it seems that their tax road is higher than a 1.4 due to higher emissions. Would recommend any 1.6 family car in particular?

CiniO

xpto wrote: »

When looking at the 1.6 used cars it seems that their tax road is higher than a 1.4 due to higher emissions. Would recommend any 1.6 family car in particular?

Yes. Hyundai i30 1.6
Tax on i30 is the same for 1.4 and 1.6 versions and accounts for the moment to
€390 per annum.
Only thing as you said - they are virtually not available in Ireland.
Why not though get one from NI or UK?

xpto

CiniO wrote: »

Yes. Hyundai i30 1.6
Tax on i30 is the same for 1.4 and 1.6 versions and accounts for the moment to
€390 per annum.
Only thing as you said - they are virtually not available in Ireland.
Why not though get one from NI or UK?

Would there be a vrt cost associated to it?

bazz26

If you are considering an Auris then stretch to a 2009 UK import as they would have got the newer 1.33 litre dual VVTi engine whereas Toyota continued to sell the older 1.4 litre engine here until the facelift in 2010. 1.33 litre engine only costs €280 to tax per year, its more powerful and has better fuel economy that the 1.4 litre it replaced. My old man has one and while it isn't a class leader in any way and boring as hell, it hasn't skipped a beat in the 3 years he has had it and he does similar driving to you. Most UK models are higher spec too.

MuppetCheck

xpto wrote: »

Would you recommend any in particular? Because Kia Ceed and Hyundai i30 1.6 petrol were not made available in Ireland, I looked at Leon 1.6 for example but tax road was between 500 and 600 euro...

Look at the Leon 1.4 tsi, the one with the turbo. It's a local engine and decent on juice too.

xpto

Thank you all for the inputs and ideas. Just a last one - any thoughts on the Vauxhall Astra 1.3 diesel 2008 or 2009?

Thanks

bazz26

You said earlier that you don't do enough miles to justify a diesel, has that changed?

xpto

bazz26 wrote: »

You said earlier that you don't do enough miles to justify a diesel, has that changed?

It's just that the price of this model is under 8k which is cheaper than a 1.4 Hyundai or Kia Ceed from the same years with low mileage.

JohnBoy26

xpto wrote: »

It's just that the price of this model is under 8k which is cheaper than a 1.4 Hyundai or Kia Ceed from the same years with low mileage.

I'd have the kia/Hyundai over one tbh

jca

xpto wrote: »

Hello,

I was wondering if anyone has one of the following cars (2008 or 2009) and would be able to provide an opinion in terms of pros and cons:

- Kia Ceed 1.4
- Hyundai i30 1.4
- Skoda Octavia 1.4
- Citroen C4 1.4

Open to other suggestions within family cars category.

If there is another thread with same topic it would be great if you could point me on that direction.

Thanks for any help.

I recently bought a 09 petrol octavia. It has the 1.4 TSI engine which produces 122 bhp. Mine is the dsg and in two tanks of fuel my mpg was 32. The manual would probably fare slightly better. Tax is €390. The earlier 1.4 is a thirsty slug with tax near €500 not a nice car at all.

punisher5112

jca wrote: »

I recently bought a 09 petrol octavia. It has the 1.4 TSI engine which produces 122 bhp. Mine is the dsg and in two tanks of fuel my mpg was 32. The manual would probably fare slightly better. Tax is €390. The earlier 1.4 is a thirsty slug with tax near €500 not a nice car at all.

Wow is that all your getting I'm getting 30 - 35 from 2litre turbo VRs petrol.

jca

punisher5112 wrote: »

Wow is that all your getting I'm getting 30 - 35 from 2litre turbo VRs petrol.

That's actual mpg, set odo to zero,fill tank, do calculations. Not what the display tells me. My driving is all short trips unfortunately. If I had a petrol vrs I'd be lucky to break the 25 mpg figure.

xpto

jca wrote: »

I recently bought a 09 petrol octavia. It has the 1.4 TSI engine which produces 122 bhp. Mine is the dsg and in two tanks of fuel my mpg was 32. The manual would probably fare slightly better. Tax is €390. The earlier 1.4 is a thirsty slug with tax near €500 not a nice car at all.

I assume that the Seat Leon 1.4 TSI is the same engine with probably better mpg figure? What would be the downsides of the Leon?

punisher5112

xpto wrote: »

I assume that the Seat Leon 1.4 TSI is the same engine with probably better mpg figure? What would be the downsides of the Leon?

The latest 1 had a great review on fiffth gear.
They look amazing and are based off the VW Schirroco.

pablo128

xpto wrote: »

I assume that the Seat Leon 1.4 TSI is the same engine with probably better mpg figure? What would be the downsides of the Leon?

I know little about the Leon 1.4 TSI. However, a workmate has an '08 one he boought recently, and had it checked by a main dealer Seat mechanic friend of his who gave it a clean bill of health.It's actually off the road now having a new turbo, and rings and bearings.
He had a Corolla for 3 years before that which never missed a beat.....

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Op I got an 08 octavia 1.6 last week for 6500. Really nice car to drive.
It came with 2 years nct and 6 months tax

jca

pablo128 wrote: »

I know little about the Leon 1.4 TSI. However, a workmate has an '08 one he boought recently, and had it checked by a main dealer Seat mechanic friend of his who gave it a clean bill of health.It's actually off the road now having a new turbo, and rings and bearings.
He had a Corolla for 3 years before that which never missed a beat.....

Be careful of which version of 1.4 Tsi is in the car. There are 3 versions 122 ,140 and 160 bhp in the 08-09 era. The 122 is by far the most reliable as it has a single turbo. The other two have a turbo/ supercharger combination.

MuppetCheck

xpto wrote: »

I assume that the Seat Leon 1.4 TSI is the same engine with probably better mpg figure? What would be the downsides of the Leon?

The engine is the reliable version of the 1.4tsi. I had one for 4 years and loved the car. The interior materials aren't up to much and the interior is more functional than stylish but it's tightly screwed together. Anything over 16 inch wheels ruin the ride though so don't go bigger than that. Mine on 17s was back breaking. Servicing is cheap, the look good and have loads of room inside even though getting in the back can be tricky. With the 1.4tsi they have a decent turn of speed too and the sport seats were properly comfortable.

I had the 1.6 and it was grand, but noisy and thirsty. The non turbo 1.4 isn't great either so the 1.4tsi is the only option I'd go for with one. When you're looking Sport Plus is the spec you want and make sure it has electric rear windows - some of them were actually the lower specced English version and last the windows and folding mirrors.

xpto

Hi there,

Took all your comments into account and today went to a couple of garages to do some test driving, not only on a couple of models mentioned here and but also on some others that were available within the same category - medium family car.

My target is still petrol as I don´t drive enough miles for diesel but in fairness I ended up testing more diesel engines since it was what was available at the time:

1. After reading so many good things about the 1.4 TSi engine, went to a garage and tested a 2010 Leon 1.4 TSI 125hp. Loads of power (when compared to my current 1.1 petrol engine), lots of grip, lower driving position, really fun to drive, big boot, loads of extras and within my budget (10k). The downsides were that it doesn´t really work as a family car... Bit too firm, too sporty maybe and hard to convince family that this is the ideal car to drive to creche.

2. Since I didn´t find a Kia Ceed 1.4 petrol with less than 60k miles I went to another garage and tested a 2008 Kia ceed 1.6 diesel hatchback. The car drives well, not noisy at all, very comfortable, still within the 7 year warranty period, spacious but for the budget I have I can only get the basic version - allow wheels and remote locking key - and around 80k mileage.

I also had a look at the Kia Ceed 1.6 estate 2009 and it looked like a better option. The engine is the same but it´s more spacious and in my view a better looking car. However Kia is in such a high demand at the moment that the prices are going up. According to the dealer it´s all due to their warranty period so the cars are holding their value really well.

3. Another one that I gave it a try was a renault megane 1.5 dci hatchback. A bit more noisy than the kia, but very comfortable and fun to drive. Loads of extras but the dealer mentioned that electronics can be a bit of a problem sometimes. The boot was generous but renault forgot to add more room on the back seats which means that there was not enough knee room.

As you probably noticed I was not able to make up my mind just yet and I may have to try a couple more models, so your inputs and ideas are very much appreciated.

I may have to reconsider my budget but there must be something good within this range that doesn´t cost a fortune in terms of tax road and with a reasonable mileage...

Thanks for the help.

JohnBoy26

I wouldn't be worried at all of a KIA with 80k km. That's still very small mileage, its only about 50k miles.

There's also more to factor in than just miles. Condition and the care the car received over its lifetime are more important than what's on the clock imo.

xpto

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

I wouldn't be worried at all of a KIA with 80k km. That's still very small mileage, its only about 50k miles.

There's also more to factor in than just miles. Condition and the care the car received over its lifetime are more important than what's on the clock imo.

Sorry I meant 80k miles. The interior of the car was really good and with a year warranty but no extras at all

epopnomis

I have a seat leon 1.4tsi.. great car had it from new. 125bhp too so really moves.. can't fault it to be honest. still on the same battery..

richardsheil

epopnomis wrote: »

I have a seat leon 1.4tsi.. great car had it from new. 125bhp too so really moves.. can't fault it to be honest. still on the same battery..

Great, 6 years too late with that help.