One way trip to Mars - The first babies born there

Hunchback

Pretty raw deal for the first baby when he or she is a kid. No mates.

What if they decide they don't want to be there? Are they being held there against their will?

Are the first people allowed to have babies?

Talib Fiasco

They're all being sterilised before they go apparently...

kneemos

The kid would be a Martian and would need to be eliminated before it attacks the Earth.

wexie

Talib Fiasco wrote: »

They're all being sterilised before they go apparently...

Morning sickness in a zero G environment......:eek:

Hunchback

Oh Right.. fair enough. Really?


But at some point a little kid is going to turn around and say 'I didn't sign up for this'. Seems pretty harsh to essentially make them grow up in captivity.

Also, in the initial phases, won't be very few people to choose from to 'mate' with up there? Could get messy

Sir Arthur Daley

CKonetheonlyone wrote: »

Also, in the initial phases, won't be very few people to choose from to 'mate' with up there? Could get messy

They could carry up a shot of eggs and sperm.

Lapin

CKonetheonlyone wrote: »

But at some point a little kid is going to turn around and say 'I didn't sign up for this'. Seems pretty harsh to essentially make them grow up in captivity.

Well they can always emigrate.

Is there a version of Australia in Mars?

Hunchback

WikiHow wrote: »

They could carry up a shot of eggs and sperm.

Indeed they could - but I was referring more to the natural compulsion to engage in the physical activity. Second and third generation Marsians will prolly be all porking their cousins

seamus

CKonetheonlyone wrote: »

But at some point a little kid is going to turn around and say 'I didn't sign up for this'. Seems pretty harsh to essentially make them grow up in captivity.

Yeah! I didn't agree to be born on earth! I'm trapped on this godforsaken rock and can't get off! This is an outrage, a breach of my human rights! I demand that the government finds a way for me to get off this planet!

In essence, any child born on Mars will see Mars as home in the same way that any children born in Ireland see Ireland as home.

Mars is a little "special" insofar as you're limited to the pods that are set up, but if you don't know any different, then what does it matter? Australia was a barren inhospitable place when first colonised and any children born there would have been largely confined to living and dying in the township in which they were born. Not much different.

As said, the first to go will be sterilised, and probably the second too. I imagine at some point they will decide that sufficient groundwork has been laid to build a proper colony and will send fertile people over. Pregnancy isn't just about the child, a pregnant woman may be a drain on resources and will require specialist care. That's not something you can afford when there are only twenty of you. But by the time they get to 50+, it's something you can look at.

Sir Arthur Daley

CKonetheonlyone wrote: »

Indeed they could - but I was referring more to the natural compulsion to engage in the physical activity.

They wont be any time for riding on mars too much work to do, them apartment blocks wont build themselves.

Cee-Jay-Cee

CKonetheonlyone wrote: »

Oh Right.. fair enough. Really?


But at some point a little kid is going to turn around and say 'I didn't sign up for this'. Seems pretty harsh to essentially make them grow up in captivity.

Technically, no it won't as it won't know any different. Their life will be 'normal' to them.

snubbleste

They'll be Martians.

Rayne Wooney

CKonetheonlyone wrote: »

Indeed they could - but I was referring more to the natural compulsion to engage in the physical activity. Second and third generation Marsians will prolly be all porking their cousins

What way did humans start out?

wexie

CKonetheonlyone wrote: »

Second and third generation Marsians will prolly be all porking their cousins

Still a time honoured tradition in many parts of Kerry the world

Hunchback

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

What way did humans start out?

I've never acutally read the bible, but that always puzzled me

J_E

They're gonna give birth to a Starchild...

*Thus Spoke Zarathusra plays*

bogwalrus

Sounds like it would make a great film. First children born on mars. Never told about earth in case they would dream of greener fields to eventually discover the lie and try to find the home their species came from. Michael bay?

bogwalrus

The film could be called "the story of Ian Mart" get it .....get it.....?

Rayne Wooney

CKonetheonlyone wrote: »

I've never acutally read the bible, but that always puzzled me

Reading the bible is fairly puzzling alright

GotTheTshirt

mmm, Earth bar.

Capt'n Midnight

with the lower g they'd be taller but not as strong

we could easily defeat the lanky weaklings if they tried to invade

Hunchback

seamus wrote: »

Yeah! I didn't agree to be born on earth! I'm trapped on this godforsaken rock and can't get off! This is an outrage, a breach of my human rights! I demand that the government finds a way for me to get off this planet!

In essence, any child born on Mars will see Mars as home in the same way that any children born in Ireland see Ireland as home.

Mars is a little "special" insofar as you're limited to the pods that are set up, but if you don't know any different, then what does it matter? Australia was a barren inhospitable place when first colonised and any children born there would have been largely confined to living and dying in the township in which they were born. Not much different.

As said, the first to go will be sterilised, and probably the second too. I imagine at some point they will decide that sufficient groundwork has been laid to build a proper colony and will send fertile people over. Pregnancy isn't just about the child, a pregnant woman may be a drain on resources and will require specialist care. That's not something you can afford when there are only twenty of you. But by the time they get to 50+, it's something you can look at.

Yeah, but like, say a kid was born in, I don't know, a morgue, or an abbatoir, or a public toilet, or a sewer and spent all their lives there and therefore didn't know any other place as home, would it be fair on the kid?

*Jesus, I never thought I would be the Helen Lovejoy of a thread

Adamantium

bogwalrus wrote: »

Sounds like it would make a great film. First children born on mars. Never told about earth in case they would dream of greener fields to eventually discover the lie and try to find the home their species came from. Michael bay?

They'd grow differently too. Mars's gravity is lower so they'll be lankier and weaker relative to us. That's going to be an unprecedented human scenario in terms of culture and biology.. 7 foot tall humans not uncommon at all I'd imagine. They would almost would be alien and see us as different to them.

Earth would be a paradise, let's be honest. Living on Mars few years would be like living in a sealed tent in the Gobi desert. The whole colour spectrum would be orange and brown. Fine if that's all you know, but what if you did? Why do I've to spend on my life in the ass end of space terraforming this hole of a planet and never live too see the end?


There are literally millions of problems besides the tech we don't how to tackle and unlike Jamestown Virginia, we can't fallback if things go south on a Mars colony. Were else would they go? Live together or die alone.

Joe Doe

trans-humanism will simply ensure that after the 1st landers, future candidates will have their full dna sequence and entire neuro records uploaded to awaiting 'bots vessels, it will take couple of thousand years to tidy the place up after all, robots don't mind the awaiting environmental conditions so much.

Adamantium

Joe Doe wrote: »

trans-humanism will simply ensure that after the 1st landers, future candidates will have their full dna sequence and entire neuro records uploaded to awaiting 'bots vessels, it will take couple of thousand years to tidy the place up after all, robots don't mind the awaiting environmental conditions so much.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qu32fBkiHFE

Sh1tbag OToole

Whatever the case you can be sure there will be someone on Boards or whatever equivalent saying it's child abuse to have a child living on mars and a good moral outrage fest will be had over it.

Adamantium

Sh1tbag OToole wrote: »

Whatever the case you can be sure there will be someone on Boards or whatever equivalent saying it's child abuse to have a child living on mars and a good moral outrage fest will be had over it.

We'll have to wait 20 minutes for the corresponding moral outrage posts from the Mars colonists defending their children's victorian lifestyle, plenty of time to think of witty puns.

CrazyRabbit

A pregnancy may not even be viable in zero-g or in a reduced gravity environment. It mat cause defects during gestation.

Capt'n Midnight

CrazyRabbit wrote: »

A pregnancy may not even be viable in zero-g or in a reduced gravity environment. It mat cause defects during gestation.

since a womb is fluid filled it's more or less a zero-g environment anyway.

whales, dolphins and manatees do fine as do sea lions, seals and hippos

CrazyRabbit

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

since a womb is fluid filled it's more or less a zero-g environment anyway.

whales, dolphins and manatees do fine as do sea lions, seals and hippos

The parents bodies though are affected and that may screw things up for the baby/fetus/embryo.

http://space.about.com/od/frequentlyaskedquestions/a/Can-Women-Get-Pregnant-In-Outer-Space.htm

shedweller

CrazyRabbit wrote: »

A pregnancy may not even be viable in zero-g or in a reduced gravity environment. It mat cause defects during gestation.

Not to mention radiation!

Capt'n Midnight

anyone living on Mars has 0.3g and anyone living on Mars that doesn't have a radiation shelter is just asking for it. Luckily for us we live on a big magnet covered by a ocean of air.


Mars ain't going to be easy to live on. All the sharp dust and sharp rocks and peroxide in the soil and temperature would mean that you'd have to go outside in a space suit and probably wash off your suit every time you came back in the airlock.

Mars to explore, Mars as a backup site for humans but not as a major colony.



If only we could lob a good few ice comets at Venus :pac:

Sulla Felix

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

If only we could lob a good few ice comets at Venus :pac:

Lobbing a few (lots) ice comets at Mars would be a better idea. Thicken the atmosphere, reduce the rems you'd take every year.

Owldshtok

As fascinating as the idea seems we didn't evolve to live on Mars and beyond doing scientific research, the notion of having a colony on it is a waste of time and resources.By the same token you could say lets start a colony on the north or south pole.

If we want to colonise another planet lets just sit around and wait for Mr Cochran to invent warp drive and the Vulcans to notice us.Then we might have a slight chance to find a planet that's worth colonising.

KungPao

That's it man, game over man, game over! What the **** are we gonna do now? What are we gonna do?

Eeden

I DIDN'T ASK TO BE BORN!!! *strop*

Rhys Essien

Sulla Felix wrote: »

Lobbing a few (lots) ice comets at Mars would be a better idea. Thicken the atmosphere, reduce the rems you'd take every year.

It could happen sooner than you think.

http://www.space.com/20443-mars-comet-2014-flyby-science.html

BeerWolf

CKonetheonlyone wrote: »

Indeed they could - but I was referring more to the natural compulsion to engage in the physical activity. Second and third generation Marsians will prolly be all porking their cousins

Space travel would surely improve within the next 50-100 years. The current time it'd take would probably be halved, or lessened a fair bit more.

If the first proved a success, they'd probably send out more people there instead of just the first landing.

flanum

hows about we sort this planet out first though seriously!

Capt'n Midnight

flanum wrote: »

hows about we sort this planet out first though seriously!

We're probably overdue a large impact.

Shoemaker Levy 9 would have originally been 5Km across

anotherposter

kneemos wrote: »

The kid would be a Martian and would need to be eliminated before it attacks the Earth.

we could just deny the martian baby a visa to live n work on earth :P

anotherposter

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

anyone living on Mars has 0.3g and anyone living on Mars that doesn't have a radiation shelter is just asking for it. Luckily for us we live on a big magnet covered by a ocean of air.


Mars ain't going to be easy to live on. All the sharp dust and sharp rocks and peroxide in the soil and temperature would mean that you'd have to go outside in a space suit and probably wash off your suit every time you came back in the airlock.

Mars to explore, Mars as a backup site for humans but not as a major colony.



If only we could lob a good few ice comets at Venus :pac:

why not extract atmosphere from venus to reduce pressure and temps then transport it to mars to increased pressure and temps... terraform 2 planets at the same time move all the men to mars and women to venus with earth being used only as a big orgy planet