Wicklow IFA and deer

grassroot1

Listening to Wicklow IFA Chairman he seems to think Wicklow is over run with deer, would the stalkers on the ground agree?

The Aussie

Sounds like the sort of Spanner who thinks 1 Deer is to many....

syconerd

personally i would say yes in certain areas but they would be in places that were not shot on or the antis go out on the high hills and forestry and see for yourself
friend of mine is a walker hes allways telling me when he goes walking he bumps into deer nearly every walk he does and no evedince of anybody shooting or hunting these areas if collite were serious about reducing the amount of deer in its forestry then we as hunters would be allowed to hunt more areas but because money is involed it goes to highest bidders or syndigate and leaves the real hunters out in the cold and rich guys albe to get their xmas deer or trophy thats not right

The Aussie

syconerd wrote: »

personally i would say yes in certain areas but they would be in places that were not shot on or the antis go out on the high hills and forestry and see for yourself

Not every non Hunter is Anti you know, some Hillwalkers are also Hunters who also like seeing Deer alive, not all Hunters kill everything they see, some Hunters actually pass on Deer...

syconerd wrote: »

if collite were serious about reducing the amount of deer in its forestry then we as hunters would be allowed to hunt more areas but because money is involed it goes to highest bidders or syndigate and leaves the real hunters out in the cold and rich guys albe to get their xmas deer or trophy thats not right

Who are these "Real Hunters" you speak of???

There is nothing stopping "Real Hunters" getting a group of like minded "Real Hunters" together and forming a syndicate of their own.
As for a Deer for Christmas or a Trophy, that just comes across as begrudgery to be honest, if someone wishes to pay for Shooting it's their right to do so (not my thing) but if they wish to try and manage their land and Deer on it so after a few years they may get a Trophy from it fair play to them.
Never begrudge a man a Trophy.

Capercaille

Wicklow has the highest rate of Bovine TB in the Country and Wicklow has the highest deer numbers in the Country. Are deer the cause of the TB?

rowa

syconerd wrote: »

personally i would say yes in certain areas but they would be in places that were not shot on or the antis go out on the high hills and forestry and see for yourself
friend of mine is a walker hes allways telling me when he goes walking he bumps into deer nearly every walk he does and no evedince of anybody shooting or hunting these areas if collite were serious about reducing the amount of deer in its forestry then we as hunters would be allowed to hunt more areas but because money is involed it goes to highest bidders or syndigate and leaves the real hunters out in the cold and rich guys albe to get their xmas deer or trophy thats not right

Its typical irish that the lettings go to the wealthiest all the time, why not have a system like america where everyones name goes into a draw for a tag that entitles you to a deer ?

Dian Cecht

rowa wrote: »

Its typical irish that the lettings go to the wealthiest all the time, why not have a system like america where everyones name goes into a draw for a tag that entitles you to a deer ?

Great idea, especially for us poor people

One shot on kill

Ok you have your tag your entitled to a deer.
Then what.

rowa

One shot on kill wrote: »

Ok you have your tag your entitled to a deer.
Then what.

You shoot it :rolleyes:.

One shot on kill

Where

dodderangler

One shot on kill wrote: »

Where

The ass. Where else

tikkahunter

Capercaille wrote: »

Wicklow has the highest rate of Bovine TB in the Country and Wicklow has the highest deer numbers in the Country. Are deer the cause of the TB?

Badgers, the deer can stand in their ****e and spread it from farm to farm,they also carry tb but you can nearly link it back to badgers , we took a rake of deer off a farm that was locked down and they were all perfect no sign of tb .

One shot on kill

Instead of being stupid and smart I'd appriate if the idea could be explained in greater detail. As I don't see how it would work just now.

rowa

One shot on kill wrote: »

Where

The americans have a lottery for tags for shooting the deer on publically owned land. In ireland coillte sells the shooting to the highest bidder , and then complains about the amount of deer on its land and the damage they do. If they adopted a different system the amount of deer shot might be greater and more ordinary lads could get a shot on publicly owned land.

for instance

http://www.ndow.org/Hunt/Applications/Application_Process/

valerossi

The issue with leases is not lads who can buy them, for some it's that or noting. You can't begrudge them that. The issue is bidding why not have a small fee per allocated area then everyone's name goes into a hat.

Ps I've never paid to shoot anything except clay birds but if I had bid on a lease I would.

One shot on kill

As valarossi says the issue is the biding. But if you change it to a lottery style the the hunters numbers will start to deteriorate because some lads just wouldn't get picked or at least only get picked every once in a while. Which how would they justify the money for there rifle scope and all the other gear you need for stalking.
Then there is no point in saying lottery either for public liability reasons as if you have 5-10-20 different people on your land they have to be trained and trusted. And let's face it there are very few places in Ireland where it's massive open country. There is security for coillte with keeping the same guys on it.


Now I do think leases are to expensive and it is hard for the less well off hunter to access them but I personally think private land is far better anyway.

Vulture 1

Well the way i see it the lads that take coillte lets have no incentive to shoot to reduce numbers because if you think about it when a person takes a let he has to bring in other lads and charge them to cover the cost.
Now if these lads arent getting shooting what are they going to do.
Next thing you ve an expensive let and no way to spread the cost.
I think the bucks or stags are heavily shot and no ones taking the doe cull seriousily hence expanding deer herd.

And unhappy farmers.

linuxman52000

Hi there,
I listened with great interest to the item on Radio 1 last Saturday morning & the interview with the IFA gentleman re. the deer problem in Wicklow.
As a guy who is only stalking for about 4 years, my 2 friends & I are finding if almost impossible to either get new permission or renew existing permission with farmers in the Glencree area. There seems to be a total clamp down on stalking in the area due to one or two individuals who are fed up listening to the shooting & lamps at night thanks to our poaching friends!, I can understand their fears, but I wish someone could explain to me how stopping a guy who has taken the trouble to study the the subject & is a certified safety officer is going to have any effect on their fears. As for the number of deer in the area, there is certainly a marked decline in the number in areas I shot in where there were large numbers previously, again our poaching friends?

As for Coillte, you would want to be blind to not see that the whole deer management issue is nothing more than a money making racket, you have only to look at who one of the authors of the HCAP book is! & you must have the HCAP cert to stalk on their forests, if I had the BDS cert, in my opinion a far better qualification, it's would not be accepted.