Looking to buy a Rotary

sebastianlieken

I've recently become completely sold on Rotary polishers! awesome pieces of kit! (especially seeing as i've got a black car)

I was using my mates one but now want to buy my own, but I don't want to break the bank either. Looking for a smart purchase.

Found both of these online

http://www.amazon.co.uk/TecTake-Professional-Polisher-Polishing-0-3000rpm/dp/B002WTZ7MS/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1394791566&sr=8-6&keywords=rotary+polisher

http://www.amazon.co.uk/TecTake-Polisher-Sander-0-3000rpm-1500/dp/B004YJ1D0O/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1394791566&sr=8-3&keywords=rotary+polisher

Any thoughts or comments?

I don't care about noise levels and I'm not a brand whore.

IK09

Rotary's are great, but if you dont have a paint thickness gauge they can to some damage. I have always used a dual action as they are more forgiving, you can literally stay on the one spot for a 5mins and do no harm. I wouldnt use a rotary as (IMO) not many people have the experience to fully understand how badly wrong things can go. The products you use with machines are different to hand use products, and you could do damage to the paint with the wrong polish alone. I hate to be the voice of doom but go with a rotary. Maybe its just me and i may have an irrational fear of rotary.

sebastianlieken

haha, you're certainly not the only one out there with the irrational doom n' gloom fear of rotary's, it's literally all you read online when you lookup "rotary polisher"

I had quite alot of time and practice on my bonnet when polishing it up, I was using very course Farcela Compound in the beginning with what I realise now was incorrect technique (let alone the incorrect compound and incorrect polishing sponges). My two cents are that you would have to be doing it terribly wrong and very often to do irreversable damage.

When it comes to paint correction, I havn't seen results that come anywhere as close.

The reason I want one is not because I intend on using it every other weekend, rather I want one to correct my car as a one off. I can use it on my parents cars too which they would really appreciate. And I would always have it going forward for whenever I buy a new car and it too needs some TLC.

MetzgerMeister

Thread fail - I clicked thinking it was going to be asking "Do I buy an RX8 or RX7". I bet you did the exact same IK09

Seb - personally, the prices of those 2 that you linked are putting me off because of the amount of stuff you get with them. That tells me that the machines are heaps of crap that will implode or explode in no time. Then again they could be fine but from my experience, buy cheap, buy twice.

I would go for the Sim-180 if you can find it. Clean Car sell it but it's not in stock as far as I can see. I bought one from them and it's an excellent machine. It's made by the same crowd who make the DAS-6 and DAS-6 Power+ which I also own and it's as sturdy and nice to use as them.

vectra

I have considered buying a rotory over and over again.
If I were to jump ship from the Das6 pro I would most likely buy an EP801.

http://www.cleanyourcar.co.uk/polishing-machines/cleanyoucar-ep801-compact-rotary-polisher/cat_100.html

sebastianlieken

Seeing as we got good weather over the weekend, I decided to use my mates rotary on the car over the past two days.

my body is actually freekin' broken. Awesome results, but I'm not sure if i'm all to keen on spending that much time and energy again. ever.

rinse, snowfoam, rinse, light wash, rinse, heavy wash, rinse, de-tar, wash, claybar, wash, rinse, dry, rotary polish with Menzerna SF4000 (Farcela G6 compounding first in areas with scratches and door scuffs), then Super Resin Polish, and Extra Gloss protection. Then alloys cleaned and sealed, then all plastic trim done with TW bumper and tyre shine, then tyres dressed with same, then windows polished with good old windowlene, curl up into little ball and cry.

my shoulders. jeeeez

Just a pity that I was too knackered to put on more than one layer of EGP... I really should have done 2 layers, or finished with a layer of wax aswell.

PS, no more light scratches or swirls (some deeper scratches here n' there but they're far less noticable, I'm not 100% if there are any hologram trails as I only got scattered bursts of sunshine to really see well... but so far so good.

JAMES VTI S

I'm buying the Shine Mate EP 180 this evening

I have used most of the flex machines (DA, FR & rotary) i was just simply blown away with the rotary.

When i got the rotary at hand i was not ready for the torque and it went for a little jog they are such a different machine and one needs to be awake and paying attention.



Now everyone is saying you cant do damage with a DA, that is false you can go straight through the paint if your guard is down

vectra

How much are you paying for the shine mate?

JAMES VTI S

E120 excluding P & P

vectra

About the same as the cyc one.
I assume it is the same machine.

JAMES VTI S

Yep :-)

sebastianlieken

proper polishing pads / sponges are pricey enough though. eep.

vectra

sebastianlieken wrote: »

proper polishing pads / sponges are pricey enough though. eep.

Hex Logic are not badly priced and last ages if you take care of them.

I am so tempted to buy a rotary only I probably wont get any better finish in my car so probably not worth it for me.

JAMES VTI S

Love the hex pads

MetzgerMeister

vectra wrote: »

Hex Logic are not badly priced and last ages if you take care of them.

I am so tempted to buy a rotary only I probably wont get any better finish in my car so probably not worth it for me.

They are good but a much faster correction is achievable with microfibre pads on the D/A.

vectra

MetzgerMeister wrote: »

They are good but a much faster correction is achievable with microfibre pads on the D/A.

Which MF pad do you suggest?
I tried the megs ones when they came out first and the fell apart.

MetzgerMeister

vectra wrote: »

Which MF pad do you suggest?
I tried the megs ones when they came out first and the fell apart.

I have a few Chemical Guys ones that I got from Curran. I haven't used them yet but he says that they give a faster correction compared to foam pads.

JAMES VTI S

I used the flexi pads and chemical guys one but on different machines and sizes so i cant compare, but i like both and the CG have more foam.

Curran

Meg's first rev of MF were known to fall apart and they'll admit that themselves. The 2nd rev were gar superior apparently!

Just in relation to the above, would I, a D/A owner, benefit from an MF pad?

I plan to pick up a Yellow hex-logic pad for my car, but would an MF pad work instead, better?

For example, This:

http://www.detailingshed.com/machine-polishing/248-chemical-guys-black-optics-microfiber-orange-cutting-pad.html


instead of this:

http://www.detailingshed.com/machine-polishing/252-chemical-guys-hex-logic-65-yellow-pad.html





(edit: if it matters, my car is destroyed in swirls!)

JAMES VTI S

You need to do a test panel with different combo's work up to more aggressive.

vectra

You got your new toy I see?

Did you go for the ep-801 ?

JAMES VTI S

MetzgerMeister

I'm liking the new caps on the Menzerna

Are those lake country or scholl pads?

JAMES VTI S

5' recessed shine mate pads

vectra

Did you use it yet?

I need a comparison between this using foam pads and using a das6 pro with mf pads.

JAMES VTI S

I will be either getting a car to pratice (scrap) on or some panels.

vectra

Jumped ship finally and sold the das6 pro.
Bought an ep801 yesterday along with some other goodies.

Now to practice on the E60 Ha

JAMES VTI S

Good news, Eugene.

Mr Detail

Interested to see how you get on with the rotary.

I have two rotarys on the shelf and rarely take them out. Just dont see f all difference in time and cutting power over the fr flex. Maybe it's just my technique. At times for deeper marks I just wet sand anyway and the flex and hex pads take out 1600 marks with 3 or so passes + refinning.

Curran

Your flex is probably a forced DA....massie difference between it and a run of the mill DA!

What model flex is it?

vectra

Curran wrote: »

Your flex is probably a forced DA....massie difference between it and a run of the mill DA!

What model flex is it?

Exactly what I was thinking.
Big difference between a das6 and a flex to be fair.

Mr Detail

Oh ya it is forced, I was lazy and just wrote fr for forced rotation.

I was just saying I rarely reach for the rotary flex over the vrg

That may well be just me :-)

Curran

The forced DA is as effective as a rotary, because it doesnt bog down!

Most detailers if they have both, will used the forced DA for 80-90% of the work.....I use a rotary for the majority of work, as its the machine Ive always used and have...wouldnt mind picking up a forced DA, but couldnt justifity it at the moment!

Mr Detail

Curran wrote: »

The forced DA is as effective as a rotary, because it doesnt bog down!

Most detailers if they have both, will used the forced DA for 80-90% of the work.....I use a rotary for the majority of work, as its the machine Ive always used and have...wouldnt mind picking up a forced DA, but couldnt justifity it at the moment!

Makes sense.

I wonder what autobrites new da will be like, reasonable cost and they seem very excited by it.

vectra

Mr Detail wrote: »

Makes sense.

I wonder what autobrites new da will be like, reasonable cost and they seem very excited by it.

I asked about one before I bought the ep801
I was told that because the throw is 21mm it would not be suitable as an all in one machine.

Was tempted though.

PurvesGrundy

I've had an EP801 for nearly two years now and haven't used anything other than 3M waffle or cutting pads. Have I been wasting my time?

vectra

PurvesGrundy wrote: »

I've had an EP801 for nearly two years now and haven't used anything other than 3M waffle or cutting pads. Have I been wasting my time?

Have you been getting good results?
If so then no. You have not been wasting your time. :cool:

PurvesGrundy

vectra wrote: »

Have you been getting good results?
If so then no. You have not been wasting your time. :cool:

Yes, I have. A part of me wonders whether they could be better though.

vectra

PurvesGrundy wrote: »

Yes, I have. A part of me wonders whether they could be better though.

And that my friend is the whole pitfall of detailing. " chasing perfection"