Help With Coil Wrapping PLEASE

masonchat

Hi i got this wire http://www.bargainvapour.com/Nichrome_Wire_-_016mm/p1274299_10936468.aspx im guessing its probably not what i should have got, anymay.

Made one coil about 12 wraps on a 3mm drill bit it came out at 6.5omh lmao

i cant find anything smaller, how many wraps should i be doing with this wire for 1.5 -2 omh coil please please pretty please

accaguest

Ah memories.

I bought this coil to make simple Evoid coils (you're probably making some micro/nano type ish?).

5/6 wraps = 3.6ohm. WTF. Oh I need .32mm. That's what everybody says 32. It's twice the size so will obv be half the ohm simple. Another week, it arrives and no, that's not how it works at all.

3rd order worked a charm. .20mm/32AWG 5/6 times on a toothpick =2-2.3ohm which is where I thought I wanted to be, although I might go back to 1.8 or at least mix it up.

Anyway, more competent posters will surely be along now/have already arrived.:D

dePeatrick

3mm drill bit....?? Largest I use is 1.6mm, above poster is right, use a cocktail stick, or take a look around, wire coat hanger comes to mind.....will check some household things and post the diameter here......

Standard dry cleaning wire hanger - 2mm exactly....

masonchat

I dont care if its micro macro or feckin hippo as long as its 1.5 - 2 omh lol

Can i make anything with this .16mm stuff apart from a cheese cutter

masonchat

KK located some of the finest toothpicks how many wraps about would you hazard a guess

dePeatrick

Use less wraps and go as small as 1mm I have made nano coils that small and they work fine....fiddly though to get cotton through.

Cheese cutter...yes, very good for that indeed

masonchat

Yeah i was thinkin when i saw the toothpick that would be a tight hole to fill lol

accaguest

masonchat wrote: »

KK located some of the finest toothpicks how many wraps about would you hazard a guess

Tbh at that diameter, micro coils might be necessary to get 1.8ohm.

Micro coils are usually 12 wraps but all bunched (technical term) together so that you basically get a hollow, solid tube of a coil where the heat travels along the coil much quicker. Lots of good youtube vids.

I got one at 12 wraps to fit in my evod head but it was only 1.5ohm so didn't use.

4-5 wraps on toothpick regular style (ie a gap between each turn of wire) may still only come down to about 3ohms.

The above should be taken as advice from a very inexperienced coil builder.

dePeatrick

You can also twist two pieces of the wire together which will halve the resistance for you and works very well.....have been doing so for some time now and they are way stronger too....

No reason you could not do three pieces either etc etc.....a rope coil

I take it you have a meter to measure the resistance, a small bit of practice and you will be doing it with your eyes closed...

Edit, give that Niochrome a dry burn before you use it, mine tastes toxic unless I do so....perfect when I do though....you will see the gunk burning off....

masonchat

GOT one 2.5omh about 6 wraps, now if i wanted to go lower next time 4 or 5 wraps ??

accaguest

masonchat wrote: »

GOT one 2.5omh about 6 wraps, now if i wanted to go lower next time 4 or 5 wraps ??

Yep.

Shorter the amount of wire you use (in regular style only), the less resistance.

dePeatrick

Try and wrap 2mm...inside of a biro...check diff types....but try as I suggested twisting two wires together and then wrapping coil.

I use this technique on NR/R wire as they only come as low as 2 ohms and I get 1 ohm coil from it that lasts way longer too....

masonchat

dePeatrick wrote: »

You can also twist two pieces of the wire together which will halve the resistance for you and works very well.....have been doing so for some time now and they are way stronger too....

No reason you could not do three pieces either etc etc.....a rope coil

I take it you have a meter to measure the resistance, a small bit of practice and you will be doing it with your eyes closed...

Edit, give that Niochrome a dry burn before you use it, mine tastes toxic unless I do so....perfect when I do though....you will see the gunk burning off....

so do what i just did with 2 strands maybe extra turn or 2 should do me , great thank guys , id be inhaling kettle fumes only for ye lol , yeah i burned it alright makes it a bit more pliable i think

MonstaMash

I use one of these to make the coils more pliable...

https://www.fasttech.com/p/1134600

& I use these ready made coils because I'm a lazy bastard

They work admirably with cotton wicks

https://www.fasttech.com/products/0/10007182/1591801-pre-coiled-welded-wires-nr-r-nr-50-pack

dePeatrick

masonchat wrote: »

so do what i just did with 2 strands maybe extra turn or 2 should do me , great thank guys , id be inhaling kettle fumes only for ye lol , yeah i burned it alright makes it a bit more pliable i think

Yes it does make it more pliable, I used to do this but now prefer to twist and make the coil first and then give a quick burn in the mod......found after a while that the stiffer wires are easier to work with...

Just to say....I started out making them under a magnifying glass with a powerful light, I have weak eyes....nowadays I can make a coil and rebuild an RDA without even my glasses, we do far more with a sense of touch/feel than we realise...:)

dePeatrick

MonstaMash wrote: »

I use these bad boys because I'm a lazy bastard

They work admirably with cotton wicks

https://www.fasttech.com/products/0/10007182/1591801-pre-coiled-welded-wires-nr-r-nr-50-pack

Oh wow.....I had not seen those.....Mmmmm thanks for that.

accaguest

MonstaMash wrote: »

I use these bad boys because I'm a lazy bastard

They work admirably with cotton wicks

https://www.fasttech.com/products/0/10007182/1591801-pre-coiled-welded-wires-nr-r-nr-50-pack

What the hell? They're welded as well!

So, if it takes a month for delivery, and I too am a lazy swine, I should order them...er, now?

What a world

masonchat

amazing what we can do /learn when we got a habit more like lol

dePeatrick

accaguest wrote: »

What the hell? They're welded as well!

So, if it takes a month for delivery, and I too am a lazy swine, I should order them...er, now?

What a world

They are resistance wire (the part that gets hot) welded to no resistance wire...idea being that the legs (no resistance) don't get hot and scorch plastic bits.....needed in some atomisers, others not.

You can get the NR/R wire from Vaperus.ie in packs if 50 if you don't want to wait a month for fastech and wrap them yourself.

accaguest

dePeatrick wrote: »

They are resistance wire (the part that gets hot) welded to no resistance wire...idea being that the legs (no resistance) don't get hot and scorch plastic bits.....needed in some atomisers, others not.

You can get the NR/R wire from Vaperus.ie in packs if 50 if you don't want to wait a month for fastech and wrap them yourself.

Yeah, I'd looked at them but had bought so much bloody wire to get my first working coil I said no more.

The nr is supposed to prevent your gromit from heating/burning? I haven't noticed marks/a taste yet, but I don't double my leg wires and find that very tricky to do so I may need them.

Only some of my evod original coils were welded, I'm not sure if they were all r/nr though.

dePeatrick

accaguest wrote: »

Yeah, I'd looked at them but had bought so much bloody wire to get my first working coil I said no more.

The nr is supposed to prevent your gromit from heating/burning? I haven't noticed marks/a taste yet, but I don't double my leg wires and find that very tricky to do so I may need them.

Only some of my evod original coils were welded, I'm not sure if they were all r/nr though.

Am pretty sure your evod coils would have been, over time the heat will scorch the rubber grommet and depending on what you are using....I use an eBaron dripper all the time and it has rubber grommets so when I drop to 1ohm or less it makes a big difference. Would get away without using NR/R wire but the grommets will eventually cook....

There is a steep learning curve but you will be amazed how quickly you will pick it all up......I started vaping about 6 months ago and did not have a clue about it then but reading in here and ECF and youtube also is a great resource of both dodgy and great videos....

masonchat

ITS vaping well anyway lads thanks

masonchat

I twisted the 2 wires and did 6 wraps to rebuild the H2 clearo , it came out a lovely 1.3omh , i was surprised the my ego will fire this and my kick in my mod fires it too , is this odd ?

Works great though, i know it could over drain EGO so have it on kicked mod

grindle

It will lessen the life of your eGo but you're probably just about on the precipice of drawing too much from it.

The 1.3ohm is pretty much ideal for a kick, gives the full range of wattage without breaking any limits and still has a quick heat-up time (unless you have very thick wire coiled 20 times).

accaguest

MonstaMash wrote: »

I use these ready made coils because I'm a lazy bastard

They work admirably with cotton wicks

https://www.fasttech.com/products/0/10007182/1591801-pre-coiled-welded-wires-nr-r-nr-50-pack

I can't stop clicking this link, it's cracking me up.

It took me so long to get my first coil working. I had to make 3 seperate orders to get the right wire. Two weeks later and little bits of cut-off wire all over the dining room table I was so proud.

But look at them there. There's so many. For $2.

China. Jesus Christ

EDIT: Will these arrive squashed out of shape? somebody asks. Lol. It's too good to be true. I'm tempted to order 1000 (only $40!) just to see what a bag of 1000 coils looks like.

dePeatrick

I know.....I too wonder what a bag if 1,000 coils looks like.....:)

accaguest

I'm sure they have a myriad of other uses too. A gift for that special someone in your life, payment for public transport etc.

The potential of coils is unlimited at this early stage

accaguest

Tonight Matthew, I'm going to be...a coil.

accaguest

That will be 7 euro please.

My good man, do you take COILS?

accaguest

Let's have a look at what this idiot did. IN AMERICA!

Neil_Sedaka

Has anyone used a jig for wrapping?

There's the Dark Zero version.

And a simple home made thing.

masonchat

Hi What wire should i get if i want to make micro coils please ? also the pg/vg i have been using from ecigshop i noticed is only food grade , is this ok to vape , i was wondering why it was so cheap

Mr. Chrome

masonchat wrote: »

Hi What wire should i get if i want to make micro coils please ? also the pg/vg i have been using from ecigshop i noticed is only food grade , is this ok to vape , i was wondering why it was so cheap

28awg /.32mm seems pretty versatile for micro coils. Don't know nout bout vg :-)

masonchat

Thanks chrome

Mr. Chrome

If you want to get really low ohms you could get 29 or 30 awg. 6 wraps around a 2mm screwdriver give me around 1ohm with 28awg.

blade1

MonstaMash wrote: »

I use one of these to make the coils more pliable...

https://www.fasttech.com/p/1134600

& I use these ready made coils because I'm a lazy bastard

They work admirably with cotton wicks

https://www.fasttech.com/products/0/10007182/1591801-pre-coiled-welded-wires-nr-r-nr-50-pack

Are there any Kanthal wire coils available anywhere?

MonstaMash

blade1 wrote: »

Are there any Kanthal wire coils available anywhere?

Not on FastTech as far as I know

blade1

MonstaMash wrote: »

Not on FastTech as far as I know

Damn!
I'm making my own but I get varied results.
Sometimes not enough flavour and sometimes not enough smoke.
Less leaking issues though!