Rhino-Horn Poachers

kerry4sam

Can someone please educate me on how people who extract Rhino-horns sleep at night. How would their conscience allow such?
I just do NOT understand how people feel monies is more important than having a light-Heart.

The clip below is seriously NSFW so please be cautious if clicking in, it made me throw up a lickle

Linkie here with sickening images and videos.

Rangers eventually found the animal five days later and put it down as they discovered it had a bullet lodged in its brain

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Can someone help me understand this cruelty?
kerry4sam

dodderangler

They probably sleep fairly well considering the money they get for rhino horn.
It's sick but if it wasn't for the rangers a hell of a lot more would be slaughtered.

meathstevie

You can't compare these caracters to what a "poacher" would equate to in our Irish/European minds.

These guys are the harvesting branch of serious criminal set ups. The logistics involved in smuggling rhino horn and illegal ivory are akin to the logistics involved in international firearms smuggling and drug smuggling and are not amateur back of the van and of to the dodgy dealer jobs.

Often encounters between law enforcement / rangers and these poachers involve fire fights with automatic weaponry and bodies to be accounted for.

Long story short; they sleep as easy at night as does any illegal arms dealer, heroin smuggler and modern slave trader; money is a great soother to some.

marc96

That's why I fully agree with the shoot on site order in SA.no questions asked just shoot the cnuts

Capercaille

meathstevie wrote: »

You can't compare these caracters to what a "poacher" would equate to in our Irish/European minds.

These guys are the harvesting branch of serious criminal set ups. The logistics involved in smuggling rhino horn and illegal ivory are akin to the logistics involved in international firearms smuggling and drug smuggling and are not amateur back of the van and of to the dodgy dealer jobs.

Often encounters between law enforcement / rangers and these poachers involve fire fights with automatic weaponry and bodies to be accounted for.

Long story short; they sleep as easy at night as does any illegal arms dealer, heroin smuggler and modern slave trader; money is a great soother to some.

In Africa Rhino is sedated and horn hacked off and left to die in agony.

In Ireland a Sea Eagle is shot in legs/wing and left from starvation/infection in agony.

Not much difference.

Birdnuts

meathstevie wrote: »

You can't compare these caracters to what a "poacher" would equate to in our Irish/European minds.

These guys are the harvesting branch of serious criminal set ups. The logistics involved in smuggling rhino horn and illegal ivory are akin to the logistics involved in international firearms smuggling and drug smuggling and are not amateur back of the van and of to the dodgy dealer jobs.

Often encounters between law enforcement / rangers and these poachers involve fire fights with automatic weaponry and bodies to be accounted for.

Long story short; they sleep as easy at night as does any illegal arms dealer, heroin smuggler and modern slave trader; money is a great soother to some.

Its interesting too how governments around the world are at last making the connection between this trade and funding for terrorists groups like the Lords Resistance Army and Al Shabab. The Americans are now funding beefed up security measures in national parks and at airports, ports where this countrband is being smuggled through

kerry4sam

^^^ Thanks for this feedback. It's just sickening to see and worse to know very little can be done, especially as someone said, one of our First Irish-bred White-tailed Eagle found dead in Tipperary with upto 50 pellets within (image here) just 7-months after leaving its' nest.

Would anyone have any advice on what one can do to assist in the prevention of this?
Thanks,
kerry4sam

Joeseph Balls

Seemingly one of the more well known gangs is from Rathkeale. Not sure how credible that is but it was reported a few times.
Was in the dead zoo recently and the rhino horn has been removed due to risk of theft. Looks terrible but i think they are replacing them with fake ones

Effects

Joeseph Balls wrote: »

Was in the dead zoo recently and the rhino horn has been removed due to risk of theft. Looks terrible but i think they are replacing them with fake ones

Think you're a bit behind the times. The horn that was removed was stolen from the secure warehouse they had it stored it in last year.

meathstevie

Capercaille wrote: »

In Africa Rhino is sedated and horn hacked off and left to die in agony.

In Ireland a Sea Eagle is shot in legs/wing and left from starvation/infection in agony.

Not much difference.

Difference number one is that the sea eagle was not shot for a few tens of thousands of Euro. Number two is that the individual that done it is probably not connected to international crime with access to complex logistics and weaponry that wouldn't look out of place in a fairly well equipped military.

If anything in Ireland remotely comes close it would be volume deer poaching. Incidents like the eagle or badger digging for example are criminal acts but they're as similar to elephant and rhino poaching as a one man poteen still in a shed is to the international illegal drug trade.

meathstevie

kerry4sam wrote: »

^^^ Thanks for this feedback. It's just sickening to see and worse to know very little can be done, especially as someone said, one of our First Irish-bred White-tailed Eagle found dead in Tipperary with upto 50 pellets within (image here) just 7-months after leaving its' nest.

Would anyone have any advice on what one can do to assist in the prevention of this?
Thanks,
kerry4sam

Except more NPWS rangers and Gardai regularly patrolling sensitive rural areas not a lot I'm afraid. It would have the added benefit of reducing other rural crime as well. Not wanting to minimise the incident with the eagle sheds being emptied of tools and vehicles on a regular basis and elderly rural folk living in fear of being the next victim of a brutal burglary is no minor issue either.

Birdnuts

meathstevie wrote: »

Difference number one is that the sea eagle was not shot for a few tens of thousands of Euro. Number two is that the individual that done it is probably not connected to international crime with access to complex logistics and weaponry that wouldn't look out of place in a fairly well equipped military.

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Its probably a matter of time before Rhinos in Zoos start being targeted by these criminals at the rate the wild population is being wiped out:(

Joeseph Balls

Effects wrote: »

Think you're a bit behind the times. The horn that was removed was stolen from the secure warehouse they had it stored it in last year.

I was there in January gone by. Just had a sign beside Rhino saying the horn was removed due to risk of theft and hoped to be replaced soon.
Don't know how long the sign is there.
Unbelievable if thats the case:rolleyes:

Effects

Here's an article on the theft. http://www.thejournal.ie/rhino-horns-stolen-national-museum-dublin-874748-Apr2013/