Border control when leaving Ireland

UfoIsNice

I would need some help with my student project about EU. I know Ireland is not part of schengen agreement but my question is: Is there passport/border control when you are leaving Ireland and going to any schengen state/country such as for example France or Germany? Am wondering about flight and ferry as well. I hope you can help me with this research and I will get some nice grade ;)Thanks guys

hfallada

When you enter the UK you don't have to show your passport as you can fly to the UK on a drivers licence. When you take the ferry to the UK there is no passport control. There is no border crossing between ni or the republic.


But if you go to continental Europe there is passport control at your destination. Generally since Ireland is an EU country its a brief look at your passport and you can enter the country.

UfoIsNice

Ok, but how about going from ireland to schengen countries? is there passport control when leaving Ireland if you going to france by ferry?

Fred Swanson

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GerardKeating

UfoIsNice wrote: »

I would need some help with my student project about EU. I know Ireland is not part of schengen agreement but my question is: Is there passport/border control when you are leaving Ireland and going to any schengen state/country such as for example France or Germany? Am wondering about flight and ferry as well. I hope you can help me with this research and I will get some nice grade ;)Thanks guys

There is no official exit immigration in Ireland, some countries (like the Philippines ) do however.

There is however, a form of unofficial check, most/all airlines require some form of photo ID to board a flight, and for many Irish people, the only option available for this is a passport, since Ireland does not have an National Identity card.

Dandelion6

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Usually there isn't. I did have to go through a passport check once when leaving Ireland by ferry (and yes, it was definitely Garda immigration). Several years ago though.

UfoIsNice

Nice lads, you are being very helpful. Now I got a bit more difficult question: Can you quote any official documents, agreement, eu regulations, etc? I need source for these answer as my professor requires that

hullaballoo

Free movement of persons?

Google should be helpful as well as the chapter in Craig and De Búrca.

Carawaystick

most commercial carriers will request passport/id as the destination country will fine the carrier if they transport someone who is not allowed ito the destination country.

If you have your own transport, you can leave and go anywhere you like, if they'll have ya.

coylemj

Carawaystick wrote: »

most commercial carriers will request passport/id as the destination country will fine the carrier if they transport someone who is not allowed ito the destination country.

That's why airlines in Dublin insist on seeing a passport before they will take you somewhere other than the UK. However I have been to France several times on the ferry and I don't recall being asked to produce passports for me or my passengers when checking at Rosslare. Not alone that, I have never been pulled over and asked to show a passport (mine or any of my passengers) in three trips to Roscoff and Cherbourg.

You're right about carriers being fined, I went to Dublin airport once with a couple of colleagues to fly on a business day trip to CDG. One of them told us when he got to the airport that his passport had expired but I knew from experience that people arriving in business dress off a morning flight in CDG typically only had to wave their passports and they sailed through immigration. However the Aer Lingus check-in lady told us that if he was stopped and refused entry, not alone would the airline be fined but she would get her ass kicked as they'd be able to trace back and find that she had given him the boarding card so she refused to check him in and we had to travel without him.

Victor

GerardKeating wrote: »

There is however, a form of unofficial check, most/all airlines require some form of photo ID to board a flight, and for many Irish people, the only option available for this is a passport, since Ireland does not have an National Identity card.

I imagine plane / ship manifests are passed to immigration.

coylemj

Victor wrote: »

I imagine plane / ship manifests are passed to immigration.

A list of passenger names is useless without dates of birth and/or passport numbers so I don't think so.

What I mean is that if I book a flight to Paris or Rome, the only data the airline has is my name and credit card number and if there are other passengers on my booking, all they have is first name and surname which by themselves are useless.

P_1

coylemj wrote: »

A list of passenger names is useless without dates of birth and/or passport numbers so I don't think so.

What I mean is that if I book a flight to Paris or Rome, the only data the airline has is my name and credit card number and if there are other passengers on my booking, all they have is first name and surname which by themselves are useless.

But you have to present your passport/ID at checkin. I'd presume that the details are either scanned or noted and would be present on the manifests.

hfallada

I know when you enter Germany there is passport control. But also when you leave Germany they also inspect your passport again

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coylemj

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But you have to present your passport/ID at checkin. I'd presume that the details are either scanned or noted and would be present on the manifests.

They are neither scanned or noted. The check-in clerk simply looks at the passport to make sure that it's current. If the photo page was scanned or the data was keyed into the system to be transmitted on to the receiving country as a 'manifest' you'd notice that happening and the process of checking in a party of people would take much longer than it does.

On more than one occasion I've stood at check-in and handed in four or more passports, I've seen what happens and it's just a visual check.

coylemj

hfallada wrote: »

I know when you enter Germany there is passport control. But also when you leave Germany they also inspect your passport again

They also want to see your passport when you leave the US but I don't think the OP is interested in exit procedures in other countries.

Fred Swanson

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Victor

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Long time. They stick the little green notice in you passport when you enter and take it back when you leave.

Fred Swanson

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endacl

UfoIsNice wrote: »

Nice lads, you are being very helpful. Now I got a bit more difficult question: Can you quote any official documents, agreement, eu regulations, etc? I need source for these answer as my professor requires that

When we type up your homework, what font would you like? Double-spaced, or line and a half?

Marcusm

Victor wrote: »

Long time. They stick the little green notice in you passport when you enter and take it back when you leave.

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Those little green counterfoils are long gone!! Nothing collected; the airline has to report your departure in a similar manner to how they provide manifests for your impending arrival (ie before plane can take off).